that would be a big fat 'yes' - just because a vsti responds to a particular CC# does not mean it will. you still have a to link something within frooty. the template thing is a pita workaround for me - obviously others have no problem with it.Rellik wrote:So you can't map controls to soft-synths in the natural manner? Or am I wrong?
The best and worst of FL Studio?
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- KVRist
- 312 posts since 11 Mar, 2003 from Dunedin, Florida
My webcomic that has absolutely nothing to do with music, plugins, technology or football: http://friedcheeseballs.com/start
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
Why not use the MIDI out? that's what I do with SFZ+ so that it responds to program changes etc.
I can see what you are saying - but I can also see that programs have limits - FL has it's own way of working, I don't think it's possible to change without stripping the program right down and starting again in the programming.
Hence the 'last touch' working for midi linking - rather than cc mapping etc.
For the same reason I think a version making use of 64 Bit processors won't happen - just like a Mac version won't happen without a re-doing of the program again from scratch.
I could be wrong though.
Hey! Gol if you read this and don't have a heart attack maybe you could clarify a bit on the cc stuff
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
I can see what you are saying - but I can also see that programs have limits - FL has it's own way of working, I don't think it's possible to change without stripping the program right down and starting again in the programming.
Hence the 'last touch' working for midi linking - rather than cc mapping etc.
For the same reason I think a version making use of 64 Bit processors won't happen - just like a Mac version won't happen without a re-doing of the program again from scratch.
I could be wrong though.
Hey! Gol if you read this and don't have a heart attack maybe you could clarify a bit on the cc stuff
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- Banned
- 4073 posts since 15 Mar, 2004
Great if you're into trance, house, industrial, which is what fruity was originally designed to accommodate and I think still caters largely to.pd wrote:What I like
1) It comes with a large collection of synths and effects giving you quick and cheap access to most synthesis methods out there. Even after collecting a bunch of plugins I still find myself going back to the FL plugins all the time. It is a perfect starting point for anyone new to Computer Music Technology.
2) You can create some very complex synths by layering synths, using effects, and using the controllers.
3) Image Line keeps creating cool new stuff making the product better and better. You get a lot of it as updates for free. Even when you have to pay for an upgrade, it is very cheap.
4) Randomize function.
5) Very stable. I very rarely get a crash and usually only if I am messing with some new unstable plugin.
What I don't like
1) Hard to save complicated modular synths or effects as a preset so that you can reuse in other projects. This could be minimized if you could load FLStudio as a vst within FLStudio.
I must admit though that I haven't really gotten around to writing a single song yet. I am more of a technology geek than a song writer at this point . I am still building up my arsenal of synths and don't feel the pressure yet to complete a song. I have very limited time but I still fire FL up every night with some simple goal in mind like experimenting with the controllers or trying out some new synth demo or freebie. I usually end the night with a couple of loops (some of them actually sound cool). I'm only saying this because I am not sure yet that I like the pattern based playlist. This may be one of the reasons I hardly ever get past a simple loop but I can't say that I have given it a fair chance.
I plan to get another host eventually (probably Sonar and/or Acid Pro), so I have given up the very frustrating obsession of wishing that FL would turn into my everything host. I will just keep enjoying FL for all the wonderful things that it is and let the Image Line team continue to surprise me with all the cool new inovative stuff coming. I think FL will always be my most important tool. I am anxiously awaiting the envelope controller.
Phil.
If this is what you're into, it handles it very well.
Next step up (and a comfortable one for Fruity users) is Sonar III Producer.
The FL guys keep me awake at night worrying over the direction they may or may not decide to go with FLS, since I have a lot of production time invested in FLS.
Sometimes they return a polite suggestion from one of us 'mere customers' (like as mentioned above) into a rather venomous sneering sounding answer with a slight fragrance of 'f**k off' mixed in, making me think that, after the major bucks start to dwindle, they'll sell fruity off to Steinberg or Yamaha, where it will fall into the same dark, unusable, sterile void as 'Groove Agent' and 'Vocaloid'.
However, beta-testers are saying it will have some enhancements in the midi area and other "stuff", so maybe we'll all be surprised. You can forget loop recording - period. They have stated repeatedly it will "never happen" in FL.
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- KVRist
- 312 posts since 11 Mar, 2003 from Dunedin, Florida
even the using the midi out isn't as simple as pulling up a scene on my controller and tweaking away. i recall something about recording midi being a pain too, but i haven't used frooty in a few months.Spe3D wrote:Why not use the MIDI out? that's what I do with SFZ+ so that it responds to program changes etc.
I can see what you are saying - but I can also see that programs have limits - FL has it's own way of working, I don't think it's possible to change without stripping the program right down and starting again in the programming.
it's fine that programs have limits but every other major sequencer responds to CC messages in a much easier fashion, which practically makes it a norm.
well, i'd say the bucks will start dwindling if Live 4 fulfills even half its promise. hell - the only reason i even looked at frooty was as a vsti host to slave to Live.Xander wrote:Sometimes they return a polite suggestion from one of us 'mere customers' (like as mentioned above) into a rather venomous sneering sounding answer with a slight fragrance of 'f**k off' mixed in, making me think that, after the major bucks start to dwindle, they'll sell fruity off to Steinberg or Yamaha, where it will fall into the same dark, unusable, sterile void as 'Groove Agent' and 'Vocaloid'.
However, beta-testers are saying it will have some enhancements in the midi area and other "stuff", so maybe we'll all be surprised. You can forget loop recording - period. They have stated repeatedly it will "never happen" in FL.
My webcomic that has absolutely nothing to do with music, plugins, technology or football: http://friedcheeseballs.com/start
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
I forgot about loop recording
Well I done my bit saying what I like and don’t like about FL – but don’t want to repeat myself or get into host war debates – so I am gently exiting this thread with the invitation left up there for the FL team to clarify any misconceptions that may be present.
Me... I have just got used to how it works and can see limitations – but I also know all of the work arounds, and they tend to be real quick.
I also know there is normally a lot more than one way to obtaining a result in FL, which is kind of cool too.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
Well I done my bit saying what I like and don’t like about FL – but don’t want to repeat myself or get into host war debates – so I am gently exiting this thread with the invitation left up there for the FL team to clarify any misconceptions that may be present.
Me... I have just got used to how it works and can see limitations – but I also know all of the work arounds, and they tend to be real quick.
I also know there is normally a lot more than one way to obtaining a result in FL, which is kind of cool too.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- Banned
- 4073 posts since 15 Mar, 2004
Yeah Spe3D, I agree. I don't mean to sound like a malcontent. I still use FLS but quite honestly, I am using Sonar and even Project 5 more and more lately with FL as a vsti. There are just some things, after having asked about for three years from gol and the FL team, that are just too vague and restrictive. This is why I said I think it's kind of meant to be a trance/beat box and was never intended to be much more than that.Spe3D wrote:I forgot about loop recording
Well I done my bit saying what I like and don’t like about FL – but don’t want to repeat myself or get into host war debates – so I am gently exiting this thread with the invitation left up there for the FL team to clarify any misconceptions that may be present.
Me... I have just got used to how it works and can see limitations – but I also know all of the work arounds, and they tend to be real quick.
I also know there is normally a lot more than one way to obtaining a result in FL, which is kind of cool too.
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
Fruitly Loop Talk really did improve their search engine last week, so some of our comments must have had a slight effect... maybe... kinda
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from California
Pattern-based sequencing. ...Not so bad,
Synths that come separately. ...not so (XXL),
The whole CC thing that everyone's talking about... ...I was a doubter until it was cleared up for me, it's fine.
You can forget loop recording ?!?!?! of course you can,
they'll sell fruity off to Steinberg or Yamaha, where it will fall into the same dark, unusable, sterile void as 'Groove Agent' and 'Vocaloid'.
...no, I belive (from watching the snarling GOL on threads) he's much to stuborn, it'll never happen (and I'm sorry about your Groove Agent, it sounded a novel concept, wish I could have tried it).
even the using the midi out isn't as simple as pulling up a scene on my controller and tweaking away....it is, I thought the same way and mapped the radium in a few minutes, easily assigns CC's
Synths that come separately. ...not so (XXL),
The whole CC thing that everyone's talking about... ...I was a doubter until it was cleared up for me, it's fine.
You can forget loop recording ?!?!?! of course you can,
they'll sell fruity off to Steinberg or Yamaha, where it will fall into the same dark, unusable, sterile void as 'Groove Agent' and 'Vocaloid'.
...no, I belive (from watching the snarling GOL on threads) he's much to stuborn, it'll never happen (and I'm sorry about your Groove Agent, it sounded a novel concept, wish I could have tried it).
even the using the midi out isn't as simple as pulling up a scene on my controller and tweaking away....it is, I thought the same way and mapped the radium in a few minutes, easily assigns CC's
The armchair is more than the sum of the bastards
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Hewitt Huntwork Hewitt Huntwork https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7460
- KVRAF
- 1652 posts since 2 Jun, 2003
The Good:
Gol and company are constantly working on improving FL Studio. If they did only half as much, I'd still think it was great. The value for money would get an 11 out of 10 from me. There are more features than one composer will ever probably use. I've needed support a couple of times recently, and it has been fast, thorough, and effective. The developers and beta testers are active in the forums and this can be extremely helpful sometimes.
The Worse Than Bad and Ugly Put Together:
The attitude of the FL team. It really seems impossible to overstate how awful they can be. You may be wondering to yourself, "is it really as bad as everyone says"? And the answer is you have to see it to believe it.
A few years ago I went onto the forum to point out that the website said an upcoming upgrade would be free to all users, when in fact it was not free to box users, only download customers. The response I got pointed out that box users got the Dreamstation DXi plugin while the download users got lifetime free upgrades. I responded that I understood who got what but the fact remained that the website said all users would get the free upgrade. I wasn't complaining about not getting a free upgrade, I was complaining about the factual accuracy of the claim on the site.
It wasn't long before I was being told that I shouldn't complain because I got the Dreamstation DXi plugin and download users didn't. Not one person from the FL team said anything to acknowledge the factual error on their website, and it remained long after I pointed it out. Rather than acknowledge the truth, I was told why I shouldn't let the error (or rather what I saw as an error) bother me... quite maddening!
That being said, I bought the lifetime free upgrades and never looked back. I am now an XXL customer and couldn't be more pleased with the product. Yes, I'm a whore!
Gol and company are constantly working on improving FL Studio. If they did only half as much, I'd still think it was great. The value for money would get an 11 out of 10 from me. There are more features than one composer will ever probably use. I've needed support a couple of times recently, and it has been fast, thorough, and effective. The developers and beta testers are active in the forums and this can be extremely helpful sometimes.
The Worse Than Bad and Ugly Put Together:
The attitude of the FL team. It really seems impossible to overstate how awful they can be. You may be wondering to yourself, "is it really as bad as everyone says"? And the answer is you have to see it to believe it.
A few years ago I went onto the forum to point out that the website said an upcoming upgrade would be free to all users, when in fact it was not free to box users, only download customers. The response I got pointed out that box users got the Dreamstation DXi plugin while the download users got lifetime free upgrades. I responded that I understood who got what but the fact remained that the website said all users would get the free upgrade. I wasn't complaining about not getting a free upgrade, I was complaining about the factual accuracy of the claim on the site.
It wasn't long before I was being told that I shouldn't complain because I got the Dreamstation DXi plugin and download users didn't. Not one person from the FL team said anything to acknowledge the factual error on their website, and it remained long after I pointed it out. Rather than acknowledge the truth, I was told why I shouldn't let the error (or rather what I saw as an error) bother me... quite maddening!
That being said, I bought the lifetime free upgrades and never looked back. I am now an XXL customer and couldn't be more pleased with the product. Yes, I'm a whore!
If every KVR member wrote one review a year we'd have 1340 reviews each day!
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
Devon, you might have seen my answers coming. But here it is raw & uncut.
The best thing about FL Studio to me:
1) This is the best drum machine software that I ever use before or since.
2) As a soft studio, it is better and easier to use than Reason, Project5, or Orion.
3) Has an open format so I can use other plugins (something you can't do in Reason).
4) With the step sequencing style of drum programming, all my drum, percussion, & bass parts are play exactly as I want it.
The worst thing about FL Studio for me:
1) The interface of some of soft instruments are too big for FL's background.
2) Some Reason-users refuse to give FL Studio the credit it deserves.
The best thing about FL Studio to me:
1) This is the best drum machine software that I ever use before or since.
2) As a soft studio, it is better and easier to use than Reason, Project5, or Orion.
3) Has an open format so I can use other plugins (something you can't do in Reason).
4) With the step sequencing style of drum programming, all my drum, percussion, & bass parts are play exactly as I want it.
The worst thing about FL Studio for me:
1) The interface of some of soft instruments are too big for FL's background.
2) Some Reason-users refuse to give FL Studio the credit it deserves.
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660 - Banned
- 6787 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
Bugs that never get solved .
Example .
1-go to song mode
2-record a clip ( midi notes )
3-enter the clip and delete content .
4- move empty clip a few bars ahead ( bar 4)
5-record again from start postition (bar 1 ) and stop recording when the ruler reaches the middle of the empy clip .
Result : not all notes are recorded .
Fl studio needs a reminder where the clips starts.
If you do the same as written above up until step 4 , but stop recording before it reaches the clip , then all data is recorded.
And like someone else mentioned , the attitude of the company is a royal pita ,
I could deliver all complaints personally , since their H.Q's are located 5 minutes from my house
Oh f**k me sideways , just noticed the necro 14 year old thread ..might as well ost bug in forum
Example .
1-go to song mode
2-record a clip ( midi notes )
3-enter the clip and delete content .
4- move empty clip a few bars ahead ( bar 4)
5-record again from start postition (bar 1 ) and stop recording when the ruler reaches the middle of the empy clip .
Result : not all notes are recorded .
Fl studio needs a reminder where the clips starts.
If you do the same as written above up until step 4 , but stop recording before it reaches the clip , then all data is recorded.
And like someone else mentioned , the attitude of the company is a royal pita ,
I could deliver all complaints personally , since their H.Q's are located 5 minutes from my house
Oh f**k me sideways , just noticed the necro 14 year old thread ..might as well ost bug in forum
Eyeball exchanging
Soul calibrating ..frequencies
Soul calibrating ..frequencies
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Winstontaneous Winstontaneous https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=98336
- KVRAF
- 2598 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Another Green World
Been a while since I demo'd FL Studio, I think the sampler thing with the voice that says "Pilchards on Toast" was pretty cool.
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- KVRist
- 346 posts since 26 Sep, 2009
yea its crazy about the mod wheel thing. you know any other daw does not have this problem. All through these years and you still have to set it up! I just dont get it and never will...