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Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:48 pm

Just remember how this discussion started: which tracks in the contest can be considered a real 'sci-fi theme' and which cannot, or something like that.

In the meanwhile some of you guys kept giving examples of themes you saw on the movies: it's a good movie's theme because you heard it on a good movie...

Big deal!

What I'm trying to say is that no track, prior to being inserted in a movie was a movie theme by itself .

(translating)...

HOW DO YOU DARE TO SAY THAT THE TRACK I MADE FOR MY SCI-FI MOVIE AS IT'S MAIN THEME (which "I've seen" and you haven't, by the way) IS NOT A SCI-FI MOVIE'S THEME? I AM THE AUTHOR AND I SAY IT IS!!!

(Of course I'm not really talking about my particular track):D

Please explain Mr. Kubrick that he was fooled by Mr. Wagner, who led him to use as a sci-fi movie theme a piece made in the previous century

or...

Maybe, just maybe, a 'sci-fi movie theme' can be anything?

No?

Did I make my point clear now?

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:01 am

Sorry, I still don't follow. A movie theme would not have been a movie theme if it was not in a movie.

We are here not all being able to write for a real movie as most of us are just plain musicians who have to use our own imagination.

Just to try it out I used a small movie clip from a game CD for mine. Most other people posted their stories. Whichever way, they make the movie. If it is a sci-fi movie then the mosic is sci-fi music.

Each person will get a chance to judge at the end of the month by voting.

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:05 am

Sorry, I still don't follow. A movie theme would not have been a movie theme if it was not in a movie.

Conversely, just because A piece of music is in a movie doesn't make it a theme, or a good theme, anyway.

-S.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:09 am

So, are a "theme" and a "motif" equivalent?

Discuss!

- m

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:11 am

So, are a "theme" and a "motif" equivalent?

Not in this context.

-S.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:11 am

Sleek, I could agree to that, yes.

Just to change to discussion slightly: another quote from Jeff Rona "No one knows where these rules come from, but most people notice when they are broken"

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:12 am

Markleford wrote:So, are a "theme" and a "motif" equivalent?

Discuss!

- m

A motif could be a theme, but not all themes are motifs. It is like a shark is a fish but not all lawers are sharks..... erm fish? erm... whatever.

You™ · Post by **You™** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:34 am

Well the concept of an easily recognizable theme is definitely not bullshit - it's the foundation of many forms of music. But I completely agree that any sequence of noises could be deemed a "theme" by rote repetition. Hell that's what half the club music I hear sounds like. Someone synced a car alarm and a drum machine. That doesn't always make for the most evocative listening experience - but let's not make value judgments.

I'm sure we can all cite numerous examples of themes and I can tell you with absolute certainty than in a majority of examples of western music (note that I did not say simply pop music - I mean everything you can name that came from any culture descended from the Holy Roman Empire) I could probably pick out the theme within two minutes if it is present. And by "majority" I really mean "some"...

There was a game show called "Name That Tune" or "My Song" or whatever you all called it across the pond - the one with the inimitable Frank Muir (I have a song about him somewhere). Silliness aside, I am serious. A theme IS a theme. I hear themes in some songs this month and not in others. Big whoop! I'm not saying that because a song doesn't seem to have an obvious theme that it's Not My Cup Of Tea (NMCOT™). All I'm saying is I don't hear the theme. Talk amongst yourselves...

PS: I get all misty when I hear that Barber piece - prolly 'cause the visual connection from Platoon. It didn't affect me as much before I saw that movie... But along those lines: Is there anyone here besides me who has a violent reaction when they hear a song on a commercial that is either a) an obscure delicious song they were glad didn't get overplayed on the radio or b) an obscure recent discovery they are happy to have only heard as many times as they've put the disc in the CD player? I live in fear of some Madison Avenue wonk getting the bright idea to use Television's "Veus de Milo" to hawk ladies razors or Arvo Pärt's "Cantus In Memory of Benjamin Britten" to sell the latest SUV. Maybe the Psychedelic Furs' "Soap Commercial" to sell, er, uh soap!

Ew, that's a scary future!

BTW: I was *this* close to dubbing a chase sequence clip to with January's winning entry but I got distracted...

You™ · Post by **You™** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:45 am

jax wrote: HOW DO YOU DARE TO SAY THAT THE TRACK I MADE FOR MY SCI-FI MOVIE AS IT'S MAIN THEME (which "I've seen" and you haven't, by the way) IS NOT A SCI-FI MOVIE'S THEME? I AM THE AUTHOR AND I SAY IT IS!!!

This line of reasoning is as excellent as it is specious because it's built on the premise that there's actually a movie for which to write a theme and that the only way which a piece of music can be regarded as a theme is by association with said movie (which I think we have dispelled). I think you are the one who was fooled - not Kubrick - as it was Richard Strauss (not Wagner) who composed that tone poem (a theme if you will) to Friedrich Nietzsche's Zoroastrian inspired pean to the fulfillment of the senses and the power and glory of the phenomena of life. An obvious choice of music in the context of Kubrick's (and Arthur C. Clark's) brilliant tour-de-force film - my absolute all-time favorite movie. Period.

I'll also go out on a limb and say I think Johann Strauss I who should be regarded as the first modern pop superstar. His music was often considered trite dance music by his peers and critics. He was a controversial metaphysical hedonist at times who amassed great fortune and fame in his day. Sounds like a Rock'n'roll lifestyle to me.

(EDIT: I amended the name above for clarification. I meant Johann Strauss wrote dance music, not Richard.)

In the interest of full disclosure I should say that I quite like your piece again this month Jax, I even hear a theme in it.

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vurts - really reminded me of plants.

sleek months - sounded like an opening to a japanese ultraman thinger. i liked it.

xander · Post by **xander** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:25 am

You™ wrote:... Someone synced a car alarm and a drum machine. ..

Sleek Month · Post by **Sleek Month** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:59 am

... Someone synced a car alarm and a drum machine. ..

Bah!

It still wouldn't sound like A VIRUS.

-S.

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:32 am

I think you are the one who was fooled - not Kubrick - as it was Richard Strauss (not Wagner) who composed that tone poem

I know, I know

After submitted the reply I went to bed (I think I should have been there for hours instead of being here on KVR) and woke up suddenly with "Strauss not Wagner" in my head.

Thanks for the correction, anyway

PS-Strauss not Wagner

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:43 am

so - has everyone agreed on what I meant when I set this month's contest theme, then?

(runs and ducks for cover)

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:26 am

I must confess I read it as "anything goes!".

Ask miss Tina Turner about Mad Max

Is that a sci-fi theme?

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