omnisphere! criky damn this synth is just no words awesome.

[BBFG#]

People who eat hard boiled eggs, don't get to stay the night in my house.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

People who eat hard boiled eggs, don't get to stay the night in my house.

i wouldn't worry, i'm not allowed to leave the bubble

[ghettosynth]

i've tended towards hard-boiled or fried eggs recently, rather than poached. just sayin'

I feel ya, but, my point was that resale policy impacts the used marketplace.

that's all well and good, but what about my eggs ?? hard-boiled always have their place in salads, but you don't get to enjoy the runny yolks. these eggs are hatched free-range from healthy chucks mere metres from my door; them yolks is golden, y'hear ?
would definitely defer to poaching to get the yolks while further reducing fried foods, but poaching is an art i have yet to master

Well, eggs, best with beans. Here in the U.S. the best that I've found are Bush's Vegetarian baked beans.

[BBFG#]

Ha! Bubble 'n Squeak!
But down here, it's mostly Rancheros Style.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i've tended towards hard-boiled or fried eggs recently, rather than poached. just sayin'

I feel ya, but, my point was that resale policy impacts the used marketplace.

that's all well and good, but what about my eggs ?? hard-boiled always have their place in salads, but you don't get to enjoy the runny yolks. these eggs are hatched free-range from healthy chucks mere metres from my door; them yolks is golden, y'hear ?
would definitely defer to poaching to get the yolks while further reducing fried foods, but poaching is an art i have yet to master

Well, eggs, best with beans. Here in the U.S. the best that I've found are Bush's Vegetarian baked beans. Buttered toast, scrambled eggs, and some beans, and that's breakfast. Fried over medium is best with chicken fried steak, poached go great with a muffin and hollandaise.

No matter how you choose to eat breakfast, however, resale policy is a significant confound in trying to use aftermarket sales as a proxy for product quality, just sayin.

as much as i am bound to the various resale policies of software i own, i refuse to be bound to cooking/meal conventions. the egg that goes best with blah blah blah is the egg that i currently want to eat. and as for baked beans much prefer my scrambled eggs served alongside some kind of fish e.g smoked mackeral or smoked salmon

[ghettosynth]

I do have a question here. Users keep speaking about the 8,000 presets, but when doing the demos at GC, I found nothing even close to that. Does GC show a 'special' demo version to reduce the file size on their computers? And if so, why can't Spectrasonics make that available for everyone online?

Something's amiss.

Their choice to not provide a demo is certainly within their purview, their reasoning, however, falls flat to me. Komplete has 12,000 sounds out of the box and you can still demo most, if not all, of the significant products. Nobody will spend enough time with a demo to listen to even a fraction of the sounds. Put glorious guitar and a few hundred of the best presets along with the needed sound sources, include every other preset and sound source in the menu but greyed out, and you have a demo that's not particularly more or less limiting than other demos.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I do have a question here. Users keep speaking about the 8,000 presets, but when doing the demos at GC, I found nothing even close to that. Does GC show a 'special' demo version to reduce the file size on their computers? And if so, why can't Spectrasonics make that available for everyone online?

Something's amiss.

Their choice to not provide a demo is certainly within their purview, their reasoning, however, falls flat to me. Komplete has 12,000 sounds out of the box and you can still demo most, if not all, of the significant products. Nobody will spend enough time with a demo to listen to even a fraction of the sounds. Put glorious guitar and a few hundred of the best presets along with the needed sound sources, include every other preset and sound source in the menu but greyed out, and you have a demo that's not particularly more or less limiting than other demos.

+1, though a few hundred is unnecessary

[MachineClaw]

The Omnisphere 1.5 patch update increased the number of patches (presets) by 780.

From the Spec's website on the 1.5 update:

• Patch Library Update: 780 brand new patches created by renowned Spectrasonics sound development team gives Omnisphere over 5,000 patches and 8,000 total included sounds!

I think when Eric talks he says 8,000 and it can seem a bit misleading when he is actually talking about the sample sources.

At the NAMM synthesis talk Eric said something like he thought there were 5,000 or more presets and a lot more samples plus Trillian added in and it was a huge number. Eric also mentioned that having so many might not be that great a thing as it can sometimes be overwhelming to a user to have so much to choose from. The talk was about synthesis in general and each speaker was talking about analog versus digital and manual sound generation on a an analog versus digital and having presets available to a user.

anyway. in general Omnisphere has a BOAT LOAD of presets and a TON of sample sources to make your own patches from and of course you add in Trillian and it is an insane amount.

[BBFG#]

I do have a question here. Users keep speaking about the 8,000 presets, but when doing the demos at GC, I found nothing even close to that. Does GC show a 'special' demo version to reduce the file size on their computers? And if so, why can't Spectrasonics make that available for everyone online?

Something's amiss.

Their choice to not provide a demo is certainly within their purview, their reasoning, however, falls flat to me. Komplete has 12,000 sounds out of the box and you can still demo most, if not all, of the significant products. Nobody will spend enough time with a demo to listen to even a fraction of the sounds. Put glorious guitar and a few hundred of the best presets along with the needed sound sources, include every other preset and sound source in the menu but greyed out, and you have a demo that's not particularly more or less limiting than other demos.

Good point, Komplete does offer more for less.
I've actually seen the Omni single presets as well as the multis and it's true, I spent more time in the multis since there seemed to be way too many VA styled singles that I found 'meh & blah' but know those can often be good building blocks in the multis. (Still didn't see anything in the thousands though.)
It is also why I wanted to know more about the other forms of synthesis it offers, which according to many of the users here, is nothing great. I do use Kontakt more and more, but for more traditional and ethnic instruments, which I'm told is also not a strong suit for Omni. But I don't load synth samples in Kontakt or even SampleTank. Seems like a waste to me and I would rather use something that is a synth that loads samples for that instead of a sample player/rompler set that has effects and filters to mimic them.

Again though. Omni is secondary at this point (at best). I really want to give Trilian a test. Because the basses I've found in Kontakt are great samples, but lack the playability I find in STank2 (32b only).

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Next time I'm there, I'll re-check.

would be quite something if you had missed the entire 'patch' library

i have another suggestion : watch any of these tutorials

http://www.groove3.com/str/omnisphere-explained.html

http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/omnisphere101

http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/trilian101

groove3 and mpv reguarly have sales, but also they both offer good value monthly subscriptions (sometimes also discounted). all you'd need do is choose a couple of other tutorials that you might find justify 25 sheets for one month, then watch the omnisphere one's also

before you slam me for suggesting something so ludicrous, know that i have actually bought a tutorial before for the sole purpose of evaluating a pluging (bought the mpv 'stutter' tutorial at a heavily discounted rate). it was a small investment which showed me that one day, when the price is right, i will likely buy the plug

[ghettosynth]

I do have a question here. Users keep speaking about the 8,000 presets, but when doing the demos at GC, I found nothing even close to that. Does GC show a 'special' demo version to reduce the file size on their computers? And if so, why can't Spectrasonics make that available for everyone online?

Something's amiss.

Their choice to not provide a demo is certainly within their purview, their reasoning, however, falls flat to me. Komplete has 12,000 sounds out of the box and you can still demo most, if not all, of the significant products. Nobody will spend enough time with a demo to listen to even a fraction of the sounds. Put glorious guitar and a few hundred of the best presets along with the needed sound sources, include every other preset and sound source in the menu but greyed out, and you have a demo that's not particularly more or less limiting than other demos.

+1, though a few hundred is unnecessary

Sure, my suggestion reflects only a number that I think is completely sufficient to demonstrate the product's diversity which has been given as a reason to not offer a demo in the first place.

[BBFG#]

Next time I'm there, I'll re-check.

would be quite something if you had missed the entire 'patch' library
i have another suggestion : watch any of these tutorials
http://www.groove3.com/str/omnisphere-explained.html
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/omnisphere101
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/trilian101
groove3 and mpv reguarly have sales, but also they both offer good value monthly subscriptions (sometimes also discounted). all you'd need do is choose a couple of other tutorials that you might find justify 25 sheets for one month, then watch the omnisphere one's also
before you slam me for suggesting something so ludicrous, know that i have actually bought a tutorial before for the sole purpose of evaluating a pluging (bought the mpv 'stutter' tutorial at a heavily discounted rate). it was a small investment which showed me that one day, when the price is right, i will likely buy the plug

No slam, actually a pretty good suggestion since I find the Spectrasonics 'tutorials' to be 2/3rds sales pitch and 1/3rd instructional. Groove3 is straight forward and to the point. My only reservation is one of data limits we in the rurals suffer under. So again, I might, when I find myself in town where the only problem at the local Starbucks is the streaming factor.
Thanks for the suggestion.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Next time I'm there, I'll re-check.

would be quite something if you had missed the entire 'patch' library
i have another suggestion : watch any of these tutorials
http://www.groove3.com/str/omnisphere-explained.html
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/omnisphere101
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/trilian101
groove3 and mpv reguarly have sales, but also they both offer good value monthly subscriptions (sometimes also discounted). all you'd need do is choose a couple of other tutorials that you might find justify 25 sheets for one month, then watch the omnisphere one's also
before you slam me for suggesting something so ludicrous, know that i have actually bought a tutorial before for the sole purpose of evaluating a pluging (bought the mpv 'stutter' tutorial at a heavily discounted rate). it was a small investment which showed me that one day, when the price is right, i will likely buy the plug

No slam, actually a pretty good suggestion since I find the Spectrasonics 'tutorials' to be 2/3rds sales pitch and 1/3rd instructional. Groove3 is straight forward and to the point. My only reservation is one of data limits we in the rurals suffer under. So again, I might, when I find myself in town where the only problem at the local Starbucks is the streaming factor.
Thanks for the suggestion.

yeah !! the rurals. where i am we are lucky to have rural internet that is not data-capped at all. the trade-off is a max of 3mb speed (though we seem to be doing ok with 2mb). when people from the big smoke talk of 30mb speeds i do get momentarily jealous

[Uncle E]

I've actually seen the Omni single presets as well as the multis and it's true, I spent more time in the multis since there seemed to be way too many VA styled singles that I found 'meh & blah' but know those can often be good building blocks in the multis.

Layering is certainly one of its strong points. It's more complicated to do similar things in Kontakt or anything else I've tried.

I do use Kontakt more and more, but for more traditional and ethnic instruments, which I'm told is also not a strong suit for Omni.

True.

But I don't load synth samples in Kontakt or even SampleTank. Seems like a waste to me and I would rather use something that is a synth that loads samples for that instead of a sample player/rompler set that has effects and filters to mimic them.

I use synth samples in Kontakt and Nexus for backup parts, just to save processing power for DIVA and LuSH-101 for the more important parts.

Because the basses I've found in Kontakt are great samples, but lack the playability I find in STank2 (32b only).

Maybe wait for SampleTank 3 before taking your next step?

[BBFG#]

Maybe wait for SampleTank 3 before taking your next step?

Now we're coming around on another circle.
The 64 bit IKM VSTs don't work on my system (they crash on opening and neither I or support can find ant reason for it). So much of checking out Trilian has to do with preparing for the possibility that STank 3 won't work for me either.