I dropped out of HS to pursue electronic music

[bailees7irish]

I dont care if you finish school online, dropping out is foolish. Your records may show a high school diploma but future employers may look deeper and see that you dropped and finished online. That could cause them to question your commitment level and in fact you could be passed over for a job just based on that.

While true to a point, this really is the "old-skool" way of thinking. Times have changed, college degrees don't mean what they used to, you don't have to walk up a hill to school and back in the snow and ice, etc etc...

I take exception to your comment about my age (I dont see the point, I am far from old)... with that said I have an 18 year old daughter who is a Jr in High school, I am extremely proactive in her education and have her in an amazing high school. Not a public school but not a private school either. She attends a charter school that is fairly new, it runs 6-12th grades. In 2011 they had their first graduating class of students that did the entire six year, 100% of the graduating class was accepted to a 4 year college or university. My daughter has learning disabilities, public schools kept her on meds and kept floating her along. I got her to this school as a freshman and the first thing was to stop the meds, then she repeated her freshman year. She once hated school and now loves it, she now say "when I go to college".

So I am not thinking old school, my thinking is current and progressive with the times as such charter schools are only recently being recognized. While I do not consider myself at the age of 54 to be old I have gained some wisdom along the way and one thing is a fact, we should never stop growing and learning. I know I love learning

The article I read a friend posted today on Facebook addresses this, I may not agree with all the article says but this I do believe

-- According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are "260,000 Americans with bachelor's degrees earning the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour or less in 2013" and "another 200,000 associate's degree holders" who are also stuck at that wage. (Opponents of raising the minimum wage often say that the low minimum wage serves a purpose -- it's a temporary condition for people just getting their feet wet in the job market. The reality is that it's now a permanent condition for hundreds of thousands of seasoned, accomplished adults.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/1 ... 36003.html

Perhaps you should rethink your post

edit...ftr here is my daughter's school http://www.innovationcharter.org/

I thought it over...and I maintain my viewpoint.

[Hink]

well it damn sure aint worth arguing about, more power to yah...but I'm gonna stick to my daughter's education plan because I'm very proud of how she has worked and how well she is doing

[kmonkey]

I thought it over...and I maintain my viewpoint.

It's expected from people with your viewpoint.

The thing is that you don't have real life experience (regarding learning and getting job) and your viewpoint seems right until haunting reality comes after you. Hopefully it won't be to late unless selling fast food is your dream work which is absolutely fine.

I'll give you common example. In my country we have normal students fighting for their diploma and there are private schools, very very expensive which only rich people can afford. Dozen of times i have seen (it was IT sector) that people which passed private schools are rejected and people with real schools got jobs in front of them...

In other words nor matter what you think no one is stupid especially not the people which are hired only to hire another people. It is well known fact that in paid private schools people are passing just like that while in normal schools people need to fight and learn to pass. Which is in the end resulting in more advanced people when it comes to learning experience.

Think twice what you are doing because depending on job you want it is likely that you will have hard time to get your job done. There is no normal employee which will give you job in front of someone who did proper diploma. Let alone some online course. This doesn't have anything with old thinking or something against rich people or online course. It's business. That's all.

Imagine yourself having a company. Would you hire someone with proper set of skills or someone who paid to get paper about skills. Hahaha

Btw i think chasing personal dream is one of the greatest thing one can achieve. I hope everyone of you will eventually get there. Just be warned. Haunting reality does not ask who you are and how good or nice you are.

[kmonkey]

It was multiquote so don't know who said this but this is totally irrational "college degrees don't mean what they used to, you don't have to walk up a hill to school and back in the snow and ice, etc etc..."

Read my words above. Imagine yourself having a company. Would you hire someone with proper set of skills or someone who paid to get paper about skills. That should give you and answer on how times changed. Quite opposite if you ask me.

I don't know where are you living but i am totally sure no leading company or successful company or anyone wanting a something as development in company - would hire someone with paid degree over someone with earned degree. It's pretty delusional.

And i am not saying there is not place for people without degree there is. It's not something which is making you above or bellow others. I am not saying that. It's just that thinking how school is not necessary is totally delusional.

If you don't believe me its fine. I can only say this: I never listened my mom and dad about that subject. I was thinking that i am smarter. That times changed and that they are old school people. Really in that order. Today 25 years later. I see i was wrong and i learned it hard way.

[bailees7irish]

I thought it over...and I maintain my viewpoint.

It's expected from people with your viewpoint.

The thing is that you don't have real life experience (regarding learning and getting job) and your viewpoint seems right until haunting reality comes after you. Hopefully it won't be to late unless selling fast food is your dream work which is absolutely fine.

I'll give you common example. In my country we have normal students fighting for their diploma and there are private schools, very very expensive which only rich people can afford. Dozen of times i have seen (it was IT sector) that people which passed private schools are rejected and people with real schools got jobs in front of them...

In other words nor matter what you think no one is stupid especially not the people which are hired only to hire another people. It is well known fact that in paid private schools people are passing just like that while in normal schools people need to fight and learn to pass. Which is in the end resulting in more advanced people when it comes to learning experience.

Think twice what you are doing because depending on job you want it is likely that you will have hard time to get your job done. There is no normal employee which will give you job in front of someone who did proper diploma. Let alone some online course. This doesn't have anything with old thinking or something against rich people or online course. It's business. That's all.

Imagine yourself having a company. Would you hire someone with proper set of skills or someone who paid to get paper about skills. Hahaha

Btw i think chasing personal dream is one of the greatest thing one can achieve. I hope everyone of you will eventually get there. Just be warned. Haunting reality does not ask who you are and how good or nice you are.

I don't have life experience? And you know this how? I can assure you I have plenty of life experience - at least when it comes to job searches; being hired, screened, fired; working as a hiring manager 10 years+ ago for my family's company; etc...

You can argue about how company A and F would want to hire someone with college education and skills before someone without, and that could very well be the case. But with that said, generally it's just not as important as it once was. I never said that no one cares about a college education, I simply said that things aren't like they used to be in that respect. To refresh your memory, here is exactly what I originally said: While true to a point, this really is the "old-skool" way of thinking. Times have changed, college degrees don't mean what they used to, you don't have to walk up a hill to school and back in the snow and ice, etc etc...

[james0tucson]

[quote="trimph1"]I think we need to keep in mind that there are those who have succeeded without HS/college/university whatever...they are not as common mind but still...they exist....[/quote]

It comes as a surprise to a lot of people to learn that completing high school is not actually a requirement for every college. If you can pass the entrance exam well enough to be accepted to the institution and you have money to pay for it and don't need to also compete for finances, you can walk right in. Technically I did this because I started university before finishing high school. Would probably have killed myself if I had to do that.

[metamorphosis]

Finished school online. But my songs don't have a a lot of listens. I feel small. I will just do tHis for fun from now on. I never intricately mastered. Just put a loudness preset on all my tracks. Going to master right from now on. Future looks ok for now

Prove me wrong, but... unless you have a secondary career option that you're working towards, you may regret this. I work in a music studio, and that's the most stable job in this industry - and that's not enough work to get by. Some do, but... it's slow goings. It's not a career you want, trust me. Even if you 'made it', you'd be like this guy:
http://thayernick.tumblr.com/post/80563 ... ney-i-make

And selling recorded music? Forget it. Unless you're the top 0.000001%, you won't make it.
True story. Do what you love because you love it, not for money. You won't make it that way. Do what you need to do to get by, and find a job or a career that ain't stacking shelves. Good luck!

[spaceman]

I dont care if you finish school online, dropping out is foolish. Your records may show a high school diploma but future employers may look deeper and see that you dropped and finished online. That could cause them to question your commitment level and in fact you could be passed over for a job just based on that.

That could just as well show determination and guts that he made the effort and finished his diploma. Everyone can have a bad period or a setback that forces them to drop school. Any decent employer will keep that in mind.

[spaceman]

And for the OP..

Unless you are very lucky, very talented and very driven, don't expect to make much money.

[djanthonyw]

does it matter if they check? Every job application I have ever filled out they ask about education, every resume I have written/seen lists one's education so what it sounds like what you are saying is as long as they are trusting you enough to tell the truth you might just as well lie? I guess if that's how you feel but sorry, for me deception is out of the question...you never know when that deceit will come back and bite you in ass. Maybe some of the lower paying jobs they might not check, and to be honest if you have a degree or other schooling on your resume they may not check to see if you graduated high school because if you have the college degree that trumps the diploma. So what then? You lie about your college experience as well? I wouldn't roll those dice, I would go on the assumption they are going to check everything you put on an application...but that's just me, I learned young I'm the guy who gets caught when he bends the rules

I'm not saying that anyone should blatantly lie. I'm not saying I lied and put down a college, when I never actually went. I didn't, but still ended up getting a great professional job in a respected field. I'm just saying that I doubt an employer actually checks regarding HS. They will probably check if someone lies about college though. It doesn't make much sense considering college is more of a joke than high school.

[robogone]

I dont care if you finish school online, dropping out is foolish. Your records may show a high school diploma but future employers may look deeper and see that you dropped and finished online. That could cause them to question your commitment level and in fact you could be passed over for a job just based on that.

That could just as well show determination and guts that he made the effort and finished his diploma. Everyone can have a bad period or a setback that forces them to drop school. Any decent employer will keep that in mind.

I might be wrong, but I'm not sure you can finish your HSD online - if you finish online you get your GED, which quite frankly is not considered by most employers to be anywhere near a HSD.

[spaceman]

I dont care if you finish school online, dropping out is foolish. Your records may show a high school diploma but future employers may look deeper and see that you dropped and finished online. That could cause them to question your commitment level and in fact you could be passed over for a job just based on that.

That could just as well show determination and guts that he made the effort and finished his diploma. Everyone can have a bad period or a setback that forces them to drop school. Any decent employer will keep that in mind.

I might be wrong, but I'm not sure you can finish your HSD online - if you finish online you get your GED, which quite frankly is not considered by most employers to be anywhere near a HSD.

Yeah, I have no idea how it works in the US.
I only know that your education is shit.

[kmonkey]

I don't have life experience? And you know this how? I can assure you I have plenty of life experience - at least when it comes to job searches; being hired, screened, fired; working as a hiring manager 10 years+ ago for my family's company; etc...

You can argue about how company A and F would want to hire someone with college education and skills before someone without, and that could very well be the case. But with that said, generally it's just not as important as it once was. I never said that no one cares about a college education, I simply said that things aren't like they used to be in that respect. To refresh your memory, here is exactly what I originally said: While true to a point, this really is the "old-skool" way of thinking. Times have changed, college degrees don't mean what they used to, you don't have to walk up a hill to school and back in the snow and ice, etc etc...

I don't know anything about you i assumed you are young - based on your funny avatar photo - not the best thing i understand.

The point is i precisely gave you an example why your way of thinking won't work in any decent normal company and how this way of thinking will affect and shape you later in your life. You are just repeating yourself. Can you give me one example on what base you are building your arguments? Where did you experienced that college degrees don't mean what they used to? I am not trying to turn out elite as**** because i am not which is why i said that for some jobs it does not matter. Obviously if you are going to peel of chicken meat or something - sure it doesn't count.

I can assure you nothing is changed, times are same and if anything is changed then it changed on to worse. You just can't see it already (and still) - that is.

edit: i am in no way trying to disrespect anyone just to clear that out. I see we are really in personal territory here so just to clear that i am giving my opinion nothing else..

[xamido]

Nah, my problem is why dropped out when you simply drop limiter preset for master. It's a sign of laziness. I have no problem with people dropping out of school to pursue their dream, but you must show the effort for it too.

[The_Hidden_Goose]

I dropped out of college because I wasn't learning anything, and couldn't stand spending all that time not earning anything but a piece of paper that would be worth practically nothing - and it was worth practically nothing - all the folks I kept in touch with that finished it are doing worse than me career-wise (such as it is), and I'm not exactly Mr Rich here! I ended up getting a job doing the thing I went to college to get a piece of paper that said I could do it, without that piece of paper. That might be because of I managed to get an interview and most interviewers know what skills they're after - it may be that some employers won't offer the interviewer without a certain level of education, and perhaps I was lucky there. Although every interview I've had, the education level was not even mentioned - the job was, and if you know the job that should come through in an interview. But anyway, I could see how things were going back then and opted out of that debt which I would now be paying back and would have literally no money to be putting back into the economy (including music gear!).

Maybe things are different in the States but people are getting themselves into horrendous debt here in the UK with no work, no prospects at the end of it, except maybe a career in education to teach the next generation how to get in to even worse debt and be greedily eyeing your job since it's the only field they can reasonably expect to use their new-found knowledge in.

People with good university degrees are competing with school-leavers from the council estates for minimum wage McDonalds serving jobs.

And what for? Who benefits from that? Not even McDonalds benefits - an educated worker doesn't do that job any better than the school-leaver...not so well they make a profit difference for maccy-dees!