KVR Audio

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:24 pm

This thread is boring

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:25 pm

Needs moar cowbell!

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:36 pm

This thread needs more:

ghettosynth wrote: analysis

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:34 pm

needs more bounce...

Personally if I didn't have Machine I would e strongly considering the TR8 with a demo. But for my current setup, dont need it....but let's see what the future holds, maybe the urge will be impeded upon me. I nearly purchased a Tempest last month and tbh, if I could have demoed one locally maybe I'd gone that route. But I still think the Elektrons are more my flavour...however I am still waiting by the for Akai wolf to drop and see what it brings to the table.

damoog · Post by **damoog** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:09 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
damoog wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:It will, I predict that it will come from Korg when they take advantage of the opening by Aria.
What opening?...I mean what actually did roland do wrong with the TR8,everything makes sense to me on this unit?
That they warmed up the market expecting to receive a clone of past successes and then delivered a half-baked solution.

I don't think that Korg needs to even clone the 808 and 909, but either an updated VA electribe, or a step up to the volca beats that employed some of the more sophisticated analog percussion modeling in the 80s, or some combination of the two lines, will mop the floor with Roland's toys.

Haha...ghettosynth,you really are pissing to many people off here,and for what,some kind of troll god status?

What exactly did you expect from Roland with the TR8?,somewhere to stick your manhood?...

it is what it is- a modern day 808/909 with a touch if old skool brought to the modern day,for £399 I'm seriously not complaining...answer me why this lacks and please don't say that you can't load samples with it because that would make the TR8 a bit shitty I reckon

kingtubby · Post by **kingtubby** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:10 pm

MFXxx wrote:needs more bounce...

I'm old enough to remember those from first time round but some how, looking back, it 's funnier now

kingtubby · Post by **kingtubby** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:30 pm

damoog wrote:it is what it is- a modern day 808/909 with a touch if old skool brought to the modern day,for £399 I'm seriously not complaining...answer me why this lacks and please don't say that you can't load samples with it because that would make the TR8 a bit shitty I reckon

A big +1 to that. I'm sure that plenty of music makers will produce good stuff with Aira gear. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:51 pm

kingtubby wrote:
MFXxx wrote:needs more bounce...
I'm old enough to remember those from first time round but some how, looking back, it 's funnier now

Yep me also...scary when I see it's 1981, makes me wonder if I'm getting too old for this board

Remember getting the best of ntnon tape compilation, ah good old ferox...

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:02 pm

damoog wrote: for £399 I'm seriously not complaining...answer me why this lacks and please don't say that you can't load samples with it because that would make the TR8 a bit shitty I reckon

Good for you. I would rather that it was twice the price and a serious instrument. So we have different tastes and budgets, I guess we're not in the same market segment?

Best,
gs

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:21 pm

Does anyone make music anymore? Or is bitching the new art form? At least it's not Gearslutz I suppose.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:46 pm

damoog wrote:it is what it is- a modern day 808/909 with a touch if old skool brought to the modern day,for £399 I'm seriously not complaining...answer me why this lacks and please don't say that you can't load samples with it because that would make the TR8 a bit shitty I reckon

Why would being able to load samples make it shitty? The new Elektron Rytm loads samples... plus it has a fully analog signal path and you can layer the analog drum synthesis with samples (if you wish). Does that make it shitty?

Not that I think the TR-8 should load samples. It is just that even though it is synthesis, that synthesis is limited enough that it really isn't much different than samples. Except samples would give you more possible sounds.

As for why the TB-8 lacks... You do not have multiple outs. So you cannot record the different voices separately or process them independently. The accent control is per step, not per voice... so if one step has a kick and hi-hat you cannot put the accent on just the hi-hat. So you do not have good accent control in the unit itself, and cannot do it out of the unit.

The TB-8 parameter controls not respond to midi... so you cannot record your realtime movements like pitch etc and play them back. Responding to midi would be a way to in some part overcome the lack of multiple outs...

The TR-8 also does not do parameter locks in the sequencer. So you cannot use midi, nor can the device itself do it.

My guess is that this set of lacks will together conspire to frustrate plenty of people once they are actually working with it...

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:04 pm

pdxindy wrote:
damoog wrote:it is what it is- a modern day 808/909 with a touch if old skool brought to the modern day,for £399 I'm seriously not complaining...answer me why this lacks and please don't say that you can't load samples with it because that would make the TR8 a bit shitty I reckon
Why would being able to load samples make it shitty? The new Elektron Rytm loads samples... plus it has a fully analog signal path and you can layer the analog drum synthesis with samples (if you wish). Does that make it shitty?

Not that I think the TR-8 should load samples. It is just that even though it is synthesis, that synthesis is limited enough that it really isn't much different than samples. Except samples would give you more possible sounds.

It already contains a (simple) sampling engine, the 909 cymbals and highhat are samples.

ChiTown24 · Post by **ChiTown24** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:20 am

CAPTAIN NECKBEARD aka ghettosynth wrote:If all you use is either 808 or 909 sounds and you manipulate them live like they did way back when, then you will love the TR8.

Which he said on page 38
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=555

Seemed relevant, ironic, funny, etc, to seek out the quote and re-post it considering where he's been going for the last 7 pages, so I went back to quote it...but oh. wait. what's this ? he's made two MASSIVE deletions on page 38. at that stage it seemed his only beef was that this wasn't a 'contemporary' or 'innovative' instrument, and he was bored with the 808 and thus bored with the tr-8. He has since gone back to delete all evidence of this, to justify the current goal of this 'crusade' - which is to say technical limitations... which is, as a motivation to his hugely inane walls of text, very much at odds with his pretty clearly worded position back on page 38. Though this 'technical limitations' angle gives him more scope for endless trolling, even though it's not something he first thought worthy of acknowledgement.... and at first he was trying to browbeat everyone over a subjective matter of opinion - a futile task - he has now, since I pointed out the futility of subjectivity in this 'discussion' - focused on the objective. You can't argue against it's technical limitations. Though, despite what he may wish, there is still a limit to how often you can beat the same drum - pun unintended. If he was a smarter troll, he'd have replaced the deletions/edits with one of his typically massive walls of text.... instead he replaced the original text-walls with atypically single sentence posts.

timestamp of the first instance of dictator style revisionism:
First posted - Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:19 pm
Last edited by ghettosynth on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

timestamp of the second instance of dictator style revisionism:
Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:55 pm
Last edited by ghettosynth on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
{though you can still catch some of this now-deleted post in my reply to it, where I used quotes}

Someone asked earlier what's the real motivation behind this trolling spree of his ? if I were to speculate I'd say loneliness, social isolation, almost certainly hasn't been laid in months if not years. I'd be surprised if he didn't have poor hygiene too. No one commits this kind of trolling without some desperate need for validation that they are not getting 'in the real world' .... the sad thing is one or two people in this thread, who I won't name, are egging him on to amuse themselves... I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same people who engage in office humour type roland jokes {'lolz, accordionz'}, and by the same token, act like hyper-defensive 'fanboys' for other brands. Dunno, just taking a stab in the dark here... alot of this bullshit reads like that.

anyway, as they say, 'dont feed the troll' ... let the emotionally crippled baby have the last word. ignore him, and move on. I doubt anyone at this stage takes him seriously... and any kind of soldering chops he has - have been made utterly redundant by his borderline personality disorder on display here.

ghetto... why don't you disconnect your router for a day or two. make some music. have a shower. and a shave. take a walk. etc. you're wasting your god damn life here.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:23 am

You gotta love the long form post, culminating in "don't waste your time here"

ChiTown24 · Post by **ChiTown24** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:34 am

the irony was not lost on me

though if you agree I wasted my time with the thought & keystrokes required for that post, I'd love to hear your honest opinion about captain neckbeard's use of his spare time here

I doubt you have the courage for that kind of honesty

New Roland "DANCE" hardware- AIRA TR-8, TB-3, VT-3, SYSTEM-1