KVR Audio

naz747 · Post by **naz747** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:00 am

mindless wrote:http://www.galaxee.no/shoe.ram
ppl like this dude and a lot of other similar to him..also Scooter, Warp Brothers, and all that crap you find on the annual "Ibiza" "Clubbers Guide" Cd:s

I hear what your saying because nearly all that is cheesy garbarge IMO but you need to have music such as this as it is a gateway for kids into electronic music. Without it they would just listen to Busted then get into Slipknot and Marilyn Manson. These guys could be the newbies that buy the software, lining the pocket of the developers so that we can have improved apps & synths.

Anyway, what else are pissed up revellers gonna dance to in the local Ritzy's nightclub on a Saturday night?

At the end of the day there is a market for this kind of music, someone needs to produce it to meet demands.

Whose are the dumb f**ks really? Us, trying to be sophicated and underground? Or Scooter, making pap records then driving back to their swanky pad in their Ferrari?

I agree with VitD, no genre can be classed as crap. I can't say D&B is crap because it's just chopped up snares and a hoover noise (not trying to start another war, just generalising

) or Country & Western is crap because it all sounds the same!!

The only kind of music that can be described as crap is one that absolutely nobody listens to...and seeing as people have listened to 4'33 of silence that doesn't leave much.

Gapaga, hope you something of use out of all this!

Peace Out

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:02 am

I dont think there is a problem with trance as a concept, I mean it started out just fine. Its just a pity that it has gone the way it has, cuz the majority of the Tiesto influenced shit that polutes the airwaves just now is pish. If you dig a little though there is still good trance around, usually mixed with a fair dose of prog or techno. Maybe when the commerical jokers have had their fill we might be treated to the more tasteful side of trance again?

Anyways, with regard to trance production! JP8080, Nord lead, Access Virus etc are the synths to own. I know this is a vst forum and all, but i think these do the job best. Infact, I'd have a Virus or a JP over a whole folder full of plugs (for this purpose at least). Im not saying this because they make all the cliche sounds, Im saying it because they are fantastic instruments with such quality and versitility which i feel is yet to be matched in native vst land. My advice is check out Virus Powercore, you wont be disappointed. Albino, Vanguard and Z3ta will do the job, but IMO they arent as good for the task in hand. I guess its down to opinion though, so try out the demo's?

Drumwise, you shouldnt need to stray to far away from a straight 909 kit. The hats, ride and clap are still used in pretty much every trance release. Maybe layer a sampled kick on top of the 909 and you're in business. Add percussion ie, shakers, bongo's and tribal type loops to taste.

Mixing wise, trance tends to be very reverby so I'd spend some time on programming some good patches for your chosen plug. This is probably the most difficult side of mixing trance imo so it pays to get it right. Also, delays play a huge part. If you listen to tracks by people like Derk from 'Push', he uses an obscene amount of delay on everything from his lead synth arpeggio's to bass lines.

Then there is the more sophisticated side of trance, which to be fair you hear more of in the prog house stuff. This involves all the subtle textures, fx and general trickery which can be incorporated into tracks. If you listen to stuff by BT, then Im sure you'll know the sort of thing im talking about. Whether you're into this sort of stuff or not, I think it pays to have some nice pads floating around subtly during break downs etc. James Holden does some nice stuff, definately worth checking out some of his work.

Finally, on a music point, my main problem with trance as it is right now is that it really does lack 'groove'. If you want to make a winning trance piece, for me at least, remember that it is dance music and that its purpose is to make peoples feet move, not wow them with you're production skills. I think if you keep this as you're focus you wont go far wrong. Maybe try mixing it up and introducing a break beat at some point? Or some more rhythmic techno type loops? Anything to get the track grooving!

Good luck

oblagon · Post by **oblagon** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:19 am

tee boy wrote:I dont think there is a problem with trance as a concept, I mean it started out just fine. Its just a pity that it has gone the way it has, cuz the majority of the Tiesto influenced shit that polutes the airwaves just now is pish. If you dig a little though there is still good trance around, usually mixed with a fair dose of prog or techno. Maybe when the commerical jokers have had their fill we might be treated to the more tasteful side of trance again?

van buuren, tiesto, corsten are the evil 3 that spread the dutch trance pap plague around the world. they probably have a trance press machine in the basement of their 'purple eye' label. twistoo and van burden is complete garbage. well produced, completely empty, the same sounding shit. corsten, with exception of handful of system f tracks is just as bad.

yeah, the good stuff is there underneath all that dutch crap.

no_signal · Post by **no_signal** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:22 am

Now this is why I say that k-v-r forum is full of shit.

I guess ppl have too strong personality, or they are tooo self proud.
When a thread gets f**ked up, it always begins with :
"I ..." , "so you ..." "coz I ...".
Get some education ppl!

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People may have different opinion, culture, education, taste...
But this doesn't mean they are wrong.

And if one states that progressive house is more artistic/musical than melodic trance or other (good) trance music, needs some medical help on his brain for sure.
When a NEW music style comes up usually is worst, and they get worst and even worst...
And finally... trance not about the bassline or the kick, or the groove and the AKAI cd is ripped off... It's more about the melodic part.
Usually ppl who make good trance, work mouch more on the melodic/vocal part than anything else.
So just go gack to your "bandlimited world" and go on making your shitty music.

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Music is about giving the best of your creativity, not about who uses what, how loud, what measure and what tempo

I enjoy to listen every musical style, as long as it's tasty, even classical music.

End of f**king task.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:28 am

Now you just pick that dummy up young man, and put teddy back in his playpen.

no_signal · Post by **no_signal** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:39 am

Btw, music is trance.
Everything that is nice to our ears, and it repeating itself getting new and new textures induces the state of trance in our mind.
Even moovies, magazines or books.

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http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/faithfull/379/trance.html

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:43 am

tranceinstitute wrote:Btw, music is trance.

No it's not.

tranceinstitute wrote: Everything that is nice to our ears, and it repeating itself getting new and new textures induces the state of trance in our mind.

No it doesn't.

tranceinstitute wrote: Even moovies, magazines or books.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:48 am

well I agree with the guy..

all we do is a constant search for pleasure, it's all a way to get 'stoned' in a way, stoned here being a word for seeking rewards and changing your consciousness

sex, music, movies, books, cigarettes, beer, socialising etc.. do it in mild ways.. but it's still the same

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:50 am

So everything's trance then.

Tolstoy, Shakepeare, Hitchcock... all trance.

Get a grip.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:54 am

nuffink wrote:So everything's trance then.

Tolstoy, Shakepeare, Hitchcock... all trance.

Get a grip.

Put me in a trance loads of times, well used to fall asleep actually, same difference.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:54 am

nuffink wrote:So everything's trance then.

Tolstoy, Shakepeare, Hitchcock... all trance.

Get a grip.

I didn't call it trance

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:56 am

spaceman wrote:

I didn't call it trance

No. He did. You just agreed.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:59 am

nuffink wrote:
spaceman wrote:

I didn't call it trance
No. He did. You just agreed.

he called it trance, I called it rewards because trance is too extreme

if you had half a brain you would have deduced that yourself.. or do you want me to explain every word, every possible meaning and maybe add a drawing as well

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:01 am

nuffink wrote:So everything's trance then. all trance.

Get a grip.

is getting a grip trance?

but i would say genres arent crap its the music in them

no_signal · Post by **no_signal** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:04 am

nuffink wrote:
tranceinstitute wrote:Btw, music is trance.
No it's not.
tranceinstitute wrote: Everything that is nice to our ears, and it repeating itself getting new and new textures induces the state of trance in our mind.
No it doesn't.
tranceinstitute wrote: Even moovies, magazines or books.

You constantly refuse to analyze other people's opinion and this made you stop progressing. You're stuck in your stupid brain

Have you read that linked page ?

Maby he is a stupid newby too, right ?

Open up your mind, so that the sun light in man!

Help, I'm a trance nerd in need of serious advice!