Choruses (Chorii?) are crap!

[codec_spurt]

No, what do you mean. You're engaged in a very pedestrian exercise like it's going to be of some moment to the group.

Fair point. If I could understand you.

Is English your first language?

That sentence you uttered does not make sense in the English speaking world.

But fair play if your mother tongue is German or Hebrew.

Really, I am prepared to answer any questions on the subject, if I can understand you.

[jancivil]

http://www.songfacts.com/category-songs ... chorus.php

[jancivil]

[jancivil]

Fair point. If I could understand you.

Is English your first language?

That sentence you uttered does not make sense in the English speaking world.

But fair play if your mother tongue is German or Hebrew.

Really, I am prepared to answer any questions on the subject, if I can understand you.

Well, there really is nothing wrong with the sentence. As obscure as you tend to be, this is what you're going to try and seize as a point to argue? It appears you have never encountered the turn of phrase, 'this is of no moment to me'. Compare 'momentous'. If this is the problem, this is your lack of competence (or your narrow experience) with the English language. Maybe you don't see 'engaged in this particular exercise' in your milieu? Or 'pedestrian'? Look it up, maybe? You must not be very well read.

I don't think it's possible for you to have a conversation on the up and up at this point. But I assure you I am asking you no real question; see 'rhetorical question', it means I am stating that I don't get you. I don't need to, you aren't saying anything of any moment to me here, nor have you yet. What was the music theory question again? Seems the rant would be better placed in 'Everything Else'. Total waste of space in any case, so I don't mind following it with some music that is interesting, to me at least.

[Sendy]

Why interrupt with 'ooh baby' a half decibel higher, and half a tone sharper, and a half a bpm faster

Because the Truck Driver's Gear Change is why music exists. Bonus points if the next thing that happens is a fadeout

[jancivil]

the bold and intelligent masters of the road with their secret language
(and their giant - oversized - mechanical - trans-continental HOBBY HORSE)

[ras.s]

I've written a few songs that have what I think is called a refrain, that is, the lyrics build up to a single sentence, coming from different angles. It's refreshing and can be a bit of a challenge from the lyrical side.

I've only got one song that has no chorus at all, and well, I think it's a nice one (the lyrical side at least). It's four and half minutes long and the problem I have with it is that I never remember all the lyrics when I'm singing it (or trying to). If it had a chorus, I think I could remember it better. I suppose that's a thing about choruses (chorux? ha.) too, when performing something it gives a sort of break - it's easier to go on to the next part from something that I can remember easily. I don't know if that makes sense, but try to catch the thought there..

But mostly I do instrumentals and I do choruses with those just the same as I usually do with lyrical tunes. I don't mind "having to have" choruses, I think it's basic stuff and very challenging most of the time, which makes them fun. The chorus to me is supposed to be the pearl of the tune. On the other hand, in some rap tunes the catchiest phrases aren't always in the chorus, but the lyricist puts their wittiest stuff in the verses, so it's no rule.



What different kinds of choruses are there? Are they all characterised by just having some witty line that is easy to remember, something catchy, or are there others way to approach the same thing?


Here's one of the most simple choruses I can think of. Straight at Sir Richard Branson's head, by the way:

[codec_spurt]

Fair point. If I could understand you.

Is English your first language?

That sentence you uttered does not make sense in the English speaking world.

But fair play if your mother tongue is German or Hebrew.

Really, I am prepared to answer any questions on the subject, if I can understand you.

Well, there really is nothing wrong with the sentence. As obscure as you tend to be, this is what you're going to try and seize as a point to argue? It appears you have never encountered the turn of phrase, 'this is of no moment to me'. Compare 'momentous'. If this is the problem, this is your lack of competence (or your narrow experience) with the English language. Maybe you don't see 'engaged in this particular exercise' in your milieu? Or 'pedestrian'? Look it up, maybe? You must not be very well read.

I don't think it's possible for you to have a conversation on the up and up at this point. But I assure you I am asking you no real question; see 'rhetorical question', it means I am stating that I don't get you. I don't need to, you aren't saying anything of any moment to me here, nor have you yet. What was the music theory question again? Seems the rant would be better placed in 'Everything Else'. Total waste of space in any case, so I don't mind following it with some music that is interesting, to me at least.

eh?

[codec_spurt]

Why interrupt with 'ooh baby' a half decibel higher, and half a tone sharper, and a half a bpm faster

Because the Truck Driver's Gear Change is why music exists. Bonus points if the next thing that happens is a fadeout

This is most prescient.

I was talking to some one on the phone earlier about this being my style.

Not the truck drivers gear change. but taking things 90 degrees. I said that i know how a chorus will sound from its verse. But you will never hear how my chorus will sound. Leftfield.

but then again, nothing to do with truck driver changes.

i didn't explain that very well at all. oh well.

[codec_spurt]

The chorus to me is supposed to be the pearl of the tune. On the other hand, in some rap tunes the catchiest phrases aren't always in the chorus, but the lyricist puts their wittiest stuff in the verses, so it's no rule.

This was my whole point. At least someone kind of agrees with me.

But why is it the pearl? What is it about that melody or rhythm that makes it superior. No one can answer that. Oh it's more catchy.

No one can answer this.

This is why I can write songs that obey no rules. And they are all the better for it.

Choruses are for losers.

[ras.s]

I think it's the pearl because that's the part of the song the lyricist puts the most emphasis on. It's the hit-or-miss moment, it has to shine or it won't be popular. It's the thing the audience remembers the song by, often the title of the track is in there, so it's of massive importance. That the music changes is only to put more emphasis on the lyric of that portion.

Popularity is of course the thing here, like you mentioned pop/rock in the original post. Gabba isn't exactly pop (which then again means "popular music") and out of what is considered "pop" things don't have to conform to "pop" standards.

Like in that Prince Far I tune.. The chorus isn't exactly pearly there, shouting "virgin" again and again isn't exactly innovative, but it's easy to remember. The wittiest stuff is in the verses -- "music has no place in a gallery" or "you see Frontline, I see barbwire" -- that's a reference to the actual label on Frontline's records (Virgin Records reggae subsidiary), where the logo consists of a hand holding on to a barbwire. It's the same thing with most rap, the audience waits for the clever stuff to be in the verses.

But in a lot of music, the chorus really has to be the pearl. Lyrics on top of music is different from poetry in that in poetry things don't need to be repeated every once in a while, and I think that's a cool thing about music that it provides that possibility to hammer in the message. It's a artistic choice of the lyricist whatever they use that possibility or not.

[do_androids_dream]

haha, an interesting train of thought - you couldn't come up with a chorus then you decided you don't need a chorus then state 'choruses are for losers'. What will happen when you come up with that killer chorus? Are you going to make a new thread?

I like those choruses where it's sung over the same music as the verses ie. nothing about the actual music changes (will try and find an example... off to the 'toob)

[Beazlebug]

I agree. Choruses tend to devalue the rest of the song, because you're waiting for them to turn up and basically they better be good because they're the zenith of the song. Unfortunately often they're not. I like plenty of songs but not necessarily the chorus in them.

[do_androids_dream]

I agree. Choruses tend to devalue the rest of the song, because you're waiting for them to turn up and basically they better be good because they're the zenith of the song. Unfortunately often they're not. I like plenty of songs but not necessarily the chorus in them.

I can't think of any songs where the chorus was some kind of disappointment after hearing a great verse. Do you have any examples? Just wondering

[Musicologo]

Some of my favorite songs are either strophic songs or just programmatic narratives without repetition. I think the lyrics is what determines if you'll have a chorus or not. If you want to tell a story that is straightforward go ahead...