
Your next guitar?
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- KVRAF
- 5102 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden

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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I think you are right and I think I've finally learned my lesson.tapper mike wrote:hibidy wrote:Ibby went back. I kept finding quirky little things one right after another and there was a tipping point of "well, what do I have this for?"
I think too that as good as it sounds, my blue presitige was every bit as good except it doesn't really flutter. Of course the bar (like all edges/pros/etc) wouldn't stay put for fluttering anyways after a couple of weeks of wear.
Sorry it didn't work out for you. Seem the wanting is more enjoyable then the having when it comes to ibby's
- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
not for me and I was never really a fan of Ibanez, I'm not really looking for another but I'm not not looking either. I'm not as fussy as Hibidy when it comes to minor details (which is not not saying Hibidy is too fussy, I may not be fussy enough) and I really hate returning things. My Ibanez like I said in your other thread has never been touched by me except to change the strings (oncetapper mike wrote:hibidy wrote:Ibby went back. I kept finding quirky little things one right after another and there was a tipping point of "well, what do I have this for?"
I think too that as good as it sounds, my blue presitige was every bit as good except it doesn't really flutter. Of course the bar (like all edges/pros/etc) wouldn't stay put for fluttering anyways after a couple of weeks of wear.
Sorry it didn't work out for you. Seem the wanting is more enjoyable then the having when it comes to ibby's
Maybe my never wanting an Ibanez before made me immune to your theory
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- KVRAF
- 7854 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
I try to tread lightly in this area.
It's a cultural thing. I have no desire to play metal. And even though I've owned a few ibby's in the past. I've never liked the tone with the exception of the George Benson model. My Michael Kelly vibe carves up better jazz tones then any artcore or even the Metheny model (and I really like Pat Metheny had the vinyl have cd's have dvd's have Metheny books) Ibby's always sound "cold" to me.
Still I realize that what I expect from a guitar is something different then someone else may.
I had this -

fixed bridge headless. It had extremely low action and a very meaty powerful guitar sound. But the neck was really fat. The midi was another story...
And before I had that I had this

Which gave me a lot of strange looks on the hick town fishing Island where I was living. Had I lived in ..California doing a hair metal thing I would have fit right in.
The trem worked fine, the tone was very very weak with poor sustain.
It's a cultural thing. I have no desire to play metal. And even though I've owned a few ibby's in the past. I've never liked the tone with the exception of the George Benson model. My Michael Kelly vibe carves up better jazz tones then any artcore or even the Metheny model (and I really like Pat Metheny had the vinyl have cd's have dvd's have Metheny books) Ibby's always sound "cold" to me.
Still I realize that what I expect from a guitar is something different then someone else may.
I had this -

fixed bridge headless. It had extremely low action and a very meaty powerful guitar sound. But the neck was really fat. The midi was another story...
And before I had that I had this

Which gave me a lot of strange looks on the hick town fishing Island where I was living. Had I lived in ..California doing a hair metal thing I would have fit right in.
The trem worked fine, the tone was very very weak with poor sustain.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
keep in mind Mike who you are talking to, my tastes are surely questionable by most people's standards...my Ibanez right now is tuned to open D which is 1/2 step lower but the same tuning SRV used a lot (not that my style is even close to SRV) which is really more of a blues tuning. The configuration of the pups with the single coil in the middle on my RG 1550 is very cool and does work well for those softer, mellow distortions. That's the main reason I want to keep it passive. For hi-gain I still prefer my ESP/LTD MG350fr with the EMGs in it.
I agree about a cultural thing, I listen to jazz but I will never be a jazz player...or at least I would never call myself a jazz player...I admire the hell out of great jazz players, but when it comes to playing it's not my thing...but then again never say never...15 years ago I said I would never use a computer
I agree about a cultural thing, I listen to jazz but I will never be a jazz player...or at least I would never call myself a jazz player...I admire the hell out of great jazz players, but when it comes to playing it's not my thing...but then again never say never...15 years ago I said I would never use a computer
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- KVRAF
- 2040 posts since 15 Aug, 2012 from Australia
This thing still isn't here yet....two weeks before it was shipped
and now I find it was shipped with DHL...
Last time DHL was booked to deliver something to me the driver said he couldn't find the street number....Bullshit, It's big brass numbers on a timber frame..
The arsehole was just too lazy to drive out this far...
I'll have to go and collect it myself...
At least it's in Brisbane now not Sydney.
Sucks his thumb, sits in a corner and sulks...
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.
- KVRian
- 755 posts since 25 Aug, 2009
I don't think I'll ever be able to justify a $1900 guitar to myself, and I keep seeing different pics of that Doom Burst finish that leave me just not wanting to mess with it in the first place since I'll have to order it online once it's finally available. Some look more grey/trans black in the middle (preferred by me) others look pinkish/purplish and not-so-good, and I actually got to see a Prestige up close the other day (not that color obviously). Ibanez's choice of quilted maple just doesn't impress me, at least on that guitar, it just looked 2D and grainy, like something you'd see on a $400 guitar o.O Maybe Carvin has spoiled me, but their quilted maple finishes look incredibly lush and 3D in comparison. It's like looking at SDTV and 1080p HD. I really don't want to send several $1900 guitars across the country until I find one I like, either.
However, I got my hands on one of their standard S models with the burled poplar top, and while I don't generally care for wood finishes, I think it looks rather interesting. Not pretty, but striking, which is it's own kind of beauty, imo. Heck, seeing how it's a natural finish I could even go so far as to stain it purple *shrug*
Only place I've seen one locally, though, is Sam Ash, and it seems they carry last year's model with the ZR trem, not the Edge-Zero II and Wizard II vs III. Not so bad, really, my S1 has ZR/Wizard II, I might see if I can get them to knock some off the price
Actually, Guitar Center has some of the 2013s in the area, too. Time to make a travel day and see which one has the top I like the best.
However, I got my hands on one of their standard S models with the burled poplar top, and while I don't generally care for wood finishes, I think it looks rather interesting. Not pretty, but striking, which is it's own kind of beauty, imo. Heck, seeing how it's a natural finish I could even go so far as to stain it purple *shrug*
Only place I've seen one locally, though, is Sam Ash, and it seems they carry last year's model with the ZR trem, not the Edge-Zero II and Wizard II vs III. Not so bad, really, my S1 has ZR/Wizard II, I might see if I can get them to knock some off the price
Actually, Guitar Center has some of the 2013s in the area, too. Time to make a travel day and see which one has the top I like the best.
Meh.
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- KVRAF
- 7854 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
I could easily justify a 2k, 3k or even a 10k guitar if money wasn't an issue.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
tapper mike wrote:I could easily justify a 2k, 3k or even a 10k guitar if money wasn't an issue.
okay, 2K or 3K maybe, but if I was going to drop 10k on a guitar I would take that 10k and set myself up a nice workshop/small machine shop and a paint booth
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 7854 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
Remember the Adrian Belew Parkers? 10k PRS put out a "Dragon" model that went for 25k (not that I thought it was worth that much)
I don't live in richy rich land. There are more millionaires now then at any time in history. My Sister and Brother in law. Liz is a hospital administrator and she pulls in 250K a year. Mike has a partnership investment company where he pulls in four times as much. They love their jobs and have been making that type of money for years and years. Last year my Dad turned 80. Liz paid 50k to rent a house for 2weeks so we could all meet up. It was a big ten bedroom house on a lake with all the trimmings. Hell my net this year will be 14k So I'm not rich.
If....If money were no object would I consider an investment in a guitar that would be stored in a vault only to increase in value say... The first Stratocaster ever built?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 00750.html
Well possibly so long as I knew it would accrue value....
I'd prolly start with one of these.
Base Price 6,995 already includes joystick.
Then add
LED fretboard 1000
Neck strip 95
X,Y controllers( (2) 650
Air Power 275
Battery pack * charger 175
Breath controller 250
Whammy 250
Expression pads/ key triggers 350
8 pots 350
Ribbon controller 175
That's 10490 not including shipping.
Imagine the possibilities with a 12 "string" version
I don't live in richy rich land. There are more millionaires now then at any time in history. My Sister and Brother in law. Liz is a hospital administrator and she pulls in 250K a year. Mike has a partnership investment company where he pulls in four times as much. They love their jobs and have been making that type of money for years and years. Last year my Dad turned 80. Liz paid 50k to rent a house for 2weeks so we could all meet up. It was a big ten bedroom house on a lake with all the trimmings. Hell my net this year will be 14k So I'm not rich.
If....If money were no object would I consider an investment in a guitar that would be stored in a vault only to increase in value say... The first Stratocaster ever built?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 00750.html
Well possibly so long as I knew it would accrue value....
I'd prolly start with one of these.
Base Price 6,995 already includes joystick.
Then add
LED fretboard 1000
Neck strip 95
X,Y controllers( (2) 650
Air Power 275
Battery pack * charger 175
Breath controller 250
Whammy 250
Expression pads/ key triggers 350
8 pots 350
Ribbon controller 175
That's 10490 not including shipping.
Imagine the possibilities with a 12 "string" version
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- KVRian
- 755 posts since 25 Aug, 2009
If I *only* played guitar, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I don't, and so it is *shrug*tapper mike wrote:I could easily justify a 2k, 3k or even a 10k guitar if money wasn't an issue.
Meh.
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- KVRAF
- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Could be worse. An orchestra player scrimping pennies for a top of the line instrument. Or worse, a pipe organist striving to purchase a top of the line instrument!KrisM wrote:If I *only* played guitar, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I don't, and so it is *shrug*tapper mike wrote:I could easily justify a 2k, 3k or even a 10k guitar if money wasn't an issue.
- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
ftr, I dont have much money either but from my point of view it's not always about how much money you have but how you manage your money. This is a good example because my response to a 10,000 dollar guitar is a take off on teach a man to fish. If I could buy the machines I need to build guitars from scratch, with my experience not only with guitars but as a certified machinist I could build myself some awesome guitars...and I could sell some too so I could by an amp...but then if I went to amp camp I could build amps tootapper mike wrote:Remember the Adrian Belew Parkers? 10k PRS put out a "Dragon" model that went for 25k (not that I thought it was worth that much)
I don't live in richy rich land. There are more millionaires now then at any time in history. My Sister and Brother in law. Liz is a hospital administrator and she pulls in 250K a year. Mike has a partnership investment company where he pulls in four times as much. They love their jobs and have been making that type of money for years and years. Last year my Dad turned 80. Liz paid 50k to rent a house for 2weeks so we could all meet up. It was a big ten bedroom house on a lake with all the trimmings. Hell my net this year will be 14k So I'm not rich.
If....If money were no object would I consider an investment in a guitar that would be stored in a vault only to increase in value say... The first Stratocaster ever built?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 00750.html
Well possibly so long as I knew it would accrue value....
I'd prolly start with one of these.
Base Price 6,995 already includes joystick.
Then add
LED fretboard 1000
Neck strip 95
X,Y controllers( (2) 650
Air Power 275
Battery pack * charger 175
Breath controller 250
Whammy 250
Expression pads/ key triggers 350
8 pots 350
Ribbon controller 175
That's 10490 not including shipping.
Imagine the possibilities with a 12 "string" version
Truth be told, in 2007 between my doctor, therapist and a social worker at the VA they came to the conclusion that I would do well if I had my own business building guitars. It was even approved at the first level by the VA which meant I would have qualified for a grant.
The VA does this a lot in trying to help vets with small businesses, I knew one guy who liked vases and they gave him (gave, not loaned) 75K to open a vase store and that was 1994 or 95. Another friend then had a 4-track and played guitar, he and his buddy started making soundscapes and started doing relaxation tapes. The VA gave him the money to build a nice studio, I dont know how either one ended up doing but the VA gave them the shot.
I declined because of how I am, while I am actually much better now than even 5 years ago my condition affords me some productive days and a lot of time lost to deep isolation. Money is not a good motivator for me and motivation can be an issue. (this can seen quite well with my musical output) Perhaps I should have had more confidence in myself but likely I would start out with high hopes and great intentions but run out of gas (tbh I am pretty sure that door remains open and may come up again this summer). If nix808 reads this, this is why I declined his generous offer.
As for the synth guitar that would be out of my league at this point, my interests in such a thing are not all that high but they do exist. I really am quite comfortable playing synth parts on a keyboard and in fact I like there being such a huge difference between the two (I wont ever be performing live). But with that said I would not mind being able to record a midi signal from my guitar much as I do a dry signal for future use. It would be cool to save the time and have a matching synth lead and guitar lead and hearing the synth part while playing the guitar would not be important (yeah I know, the lazy way out). So I know I can do this with anything because latency would not matter, but I think the triple play is the best...that is before hearing and seeing what nix808's new system will do...I am looking forward to that.
However before I made such a choice you and a few others would be the one I would seek advice from
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
