vLINN - Linn LM-1 Drum Machine Emulation - Any Users?

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Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Additional facts? There's a very large Mac audio community that can't use SE plugins.
There's also a very large Mac audio community that cant use VST plugins. Perhaps it would be more useful if you lobbied Apple to support the VST format. Plenty of companies produce plugins for which are restricted by platform or format. Mostly they're small development companies that dont have the resources to support multiple frameworks, but some large ones do. Not every lightbulb fits every light socket, that's how the world works, and you're just going to have to get used to it.

On the other hand, anyone who's specifically concerned about using a specific plugin, rather than a specific operating system, will find a mechanism for doing so.
There's no chance of the large, cross platform Pro Tools user base that can't use SE plugins.
That's funny, Im a cross platform Pro Tools user and I can use SE plugins. Are you a Pro Tools user yourself to make that claim?
Therefore, logic dictates that those groups, in addition to the "I don't want to run bridged plugins" crowd, cannot buy this plugin do to how it was developed.
Erm, no, logic absolutely doesnt. Firstly, its a false assumption. Secondly the 'I dont want to crowd' still can use it, and the only constraint is their own choice.
Furthermore, there are other ways round it than bridges. Hooking up a secondary host, (eg by rewire), for example.

Again, it comes down to which is important; using a particular tool, or complaining that the tool doesnt immediately fit within an specific DAW environment, even though it can be made to.
Now, I don't get why you seem to be getting so defensive about it. You like the plugin and don't have a problem with the SE limitations. Good for you. I'd like to see the developer create a native version and won't spend money on it until/unless that happens. Good for me.
Now, I don't get why you seem to be getting so aggressive about it, to the point where you're conflating made up facts and bad logic, but there you go. You may or may not like the plugin, but seem to have more of a problem with an over-exaggerated 'SE limitation' that's not quite what you present it as, and want to make out to be more important for other people than the functionality the plugin was designed to deliver, which is just not true.
If the developer doesn't create a native version and you won't spend money on it until/unless that happens, then that's fine. Unless of course you really need a good Linn emulation and you're cutting your nose of to spite your face, in which case, that's a bit silly, IMO.
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IBTL :D

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Numanoid wrote:IBTL :D
Yes. IBTL...
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I'm sad for Aly who is a creator and I am sometimes ashamed of the attitude of certain users (and even not yet users) towards the creators. And there is presently the same situation in another thread where Martin (creator of PG8X) is litteraly treated like a noob by a guy after nearly 2 years of hard work on his synth and more than 60 pages of a thread which was very nice before that, a guy who pretends even to have lessons to give to Urs Heckman (U-He), Korg, Ichiro Toda (Synth1), etc.

I am sometimes ashamed of the attitude of those users.
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BlackWinny wrote:
Numanoid wrote:IBTL :D
Yes. IBTL...
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I'm sad for Aly who is a creator and I am sometimes ashamed of the attitude of certain users (and even not yet users) towards the creators. And there is presently the same situation in another thread where Martin (creator of PG8X) is litteraly treated like a noob by a guy after nearly 2 years of hard work on his synth and more than 60 pages of a thread which was very nice before that, a guy who pretends even to have lessons to give to Urs Heckman (U-He), Korg, Ichiro Toda (Synth1), etc.

I am sometimes ashamed of the attitude of those users.
Wow I didn't know the VLINN would have opened up an endless debate on multi platforms and constantly changing formats :)
Ahaha don't be sad! if you read through the thread people who actually USE the plugin are happy with the result.
Same thing at Gearslutz, some users even own real LM1s :)


I can perfectly understand the pro & cons in constantly changing technology and why people will fight endlessly depending on their point of view.

The fact is everybody is different hence everybody got different needs to achieve different things.
The question is will it helps you making better music? Experienced musicians & composers will tell you that having too much tools will limit your creativity...simply because you will loose focus and will no more take time to tweak your rare tools...
This is one of the fundamentals in for example, Chiptune, pushing old limited technology to its limit in a very creative way.

Here is one point of view: The LM1 is pretty much limited, you got 12 sounds and a tuning control BUT it is instant joy & fun as you will not spend much time listening to 1000+ Kicks & pre made presets... instead you will be instantly focused on the beat itself tuning those crunchy sounding samples to your taste and post process all the FX you want to make something pretty unique and especially funky.

The other side of the fence: Its 2014 dude! who needs to rely on these old technologies when the industry standard is layering multiband compressed and crafted samples to cover precise spectrum for that ultimate boooomm, its time to move on.

Well... who's right?... both could be...again, it all depends what YOU think matters.
What I am trying to say is that this debate on top notch technology requirement is sort of pointless.

I did not expect such high demands on my plugins in the first place nor planned to support all the different platforms when I started out.
These plugins were first made for my personal use and I personally hate all these different formats which are in the end only commercial moves,limitations and a nightmare for developers.
I am a musician first like most of you and learning how to make my own tools and instruments is a wonderful thing, knowing that people all around the world can also find them useful is a + something that afford me time to continue this journey and also share my discoveries and experiments with everyone geeky enough to find it interesting.

It is up to you to follow the hype or not. (btw I think that my KVR featured video with a raw funk on guitar & bass sort of sounded fresh for some...damn there is no wobble looool)

Last but not least: If you make something public do not only expect positive things :)
In my case the balance is pretty much positive so I will continue the journey and try to meet the need for a larger demand.
Again, Thx for all the positive feedback! :tu:

Now go funkify yourself at the bottom of this page :)
http://www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html

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Aly James wrote:Now go funkify yourself at the bottom of this page :)
http://www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html
Honestly, I have bought vLINN simply because these tunes are so beautiful that they remind me my youth in the 70's-80's. So it was necessarily the emulation I was expecting for years to bring in my prog rock compos the Linn-Drums of my memories.

The rest, SynthEdit or not... I don't care at all. I enjoy, my CPU climbs to a frightening 15%...
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... and I enjoy!
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Aly James wrote:Blah Blah etc
I for one think what you are doing is great and if you do manage to do it in further formats that would be great for the rest of them who would like to use it, I think you should, you are on to something here with this drum machine.

As for the complainers - if they didn't have anything to complain about they'd be complaining that they haven't got anything to complain about! :ud:

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For those who didn't noticed, you can also load your OWN samples easily as EPROMS replacement.
It is expalined in the manual how you can convert them to the appropriate real EPROM format... once done they will be played through the DACs & filters of the VLINN, hence you can also load non drums samples...
Here for example I have used some Fairlight Orchestra Hit :)

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Aly James wrote: Wow I didn't know the VLINN would have opened up an endless debate on multi platforms and constantly changing formats :)
Ahaha don't be sad! if you read through the thread people who actually USE the plugin are happy with the result.
Same thing at Gearslutz, some users even own real LM1s :)


I can perfectly understand the pro & cons in constantly changing technology and why people will fight endlessly depending on their point of view.

The fact is everybody is different hence everybody got different needs to achieve different things.
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Now go funkify yourself at the bottom of this page :)
http://www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html
I am reading this and thinking/singing to myself:

And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and Scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh, sha sha, we got to live together


:)
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bftucker wrote:
Aly James wrote:

The fact is everybody is different hence everybody got different needs to achieve different things.
...

Now go funkify yourself at the bottom of this page :)
http://www.alyjameslab.com/alyjameslabvlinn.html
I am reading this and thinking/singing to myself:

And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and Scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh, sha sha, we got to live together


:)
THIS :wink:

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Just want to give the VST a big thumbs up - It does sound way better than samples...The only problem I have found that it was mapped in the usual way to my MPD32 - but some of the sounds are doubles on the 16 pads and some of the sounds are not there - I would have to create a template to do so, so I wish the drum pads had a midi learn utility still, much like poise drum vst does.

DMX etc next or a one off?

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breakmixer wrote:Just want to give the VST a big thumbs up - It does sound way better than samples...The only problem I have found that it was mapped in the usual way to my MPD32 - but some of the sounds are doubles on the 16 pads and some of the sounds are not there - I would have to create a template to do so, so I wish the drum pads had a midi learn utility still, much like poise drum vst does.

DMX etc next or a one off?
Thx! I have heard that http://www.learndigitalaudio.com/blog/ have a test review on the go... can't wait to read it :)
Did you noticed there is a blank menu button? some additional features will be available here, one of them will be internal MIDI note mapping... :)
For now you can easily remap your pad or translate incoming MIDI notes via MIDI conversion to the VLINN chart (IIRC Cubase has a Live MIDI conversion tool for example.)

You can already load DMX EPROMS they are compatible!, filtering is a bit different on the DMX. I could do a dedicated DMX one in the future.. maybe.

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Aly James wrote:For those who didn't noticed, you can also load your OWN samples easily as EPROMS replacement.
It is expalined in the manual how you can convert them to the appropriate real EPROM format... once done they will be played through the DACs & filters of the VLINN, hence you can also load non drums samples...
Here for example I have used some Fairlight Orchestra Hit :)
Impressionnant !

Before vLINN... I never used drums in my compositions or very rarely (nor really the style of my new age compositions or ballads but also I couldn't afford very good drums emulations which are all expensive and I don't want any of all these bad drums we find everywhere for free except the excellent Melda MDrummer Lite for my very rare drums). And for years and years I had in mind the nostalgic memory of those Linn-Drums I heard 30 years ago when I was 25, but I never found any emulation.

And now... This is it!
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Drums will remain discrete in my compositions, of course, but they will be present! At last I have my Linn-Drums!
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Aly James wrote:Did you noticed there is a blank menu button?
Yes, I pressed it a couple of times, cheers :)

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This is sweet news.
Hope the Vlinn is more cpu-friendly than the Genesis/Yamaha synth and that it doesn't requre a "cinematic" resolution..

anyway sounds like a must have. :)

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I have also dreamed of having a Linn Drum vst, love the 80's, albums especially Purple Rain soundtrack by Prince really stand out for his use of the LM-1 and DMX.
Aly James you have created a awesome plugin, and I'm really enjoying the videos you have uploaded on YT.
A few years ago I bought some Linn drum samples, only to find out that it was not legal to use samples of a Linn LM1 etc in my recordings.....a big shame!
I assume this vst is based on synthesis and not samples, if so I will buy this vLinn very soon!

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