Homemade or sampled drums?

[Orbitutle]

Hello ppl.

Im mostly into making music in the trance genre. Im just wondering if anybody are making their own drums samples? Or if everyone are using premade samples?

I once liked to make my own kick drums, but I found it hard to make em as good as the ones I got from packs on the net and so on.

Anyone in here have good experience with making their own personal drums samples?

Thanks

[tetraplan]

Hello ppl.

Im mostly into making music in the trance genre. Im just wondering if anybody are making their own drums samples? Or if everyone are using premade samples?

I once liked to make my own kick drums, but I found it hard to make em as good as the ones I got from packs on the net and so on.

Anyone in here have good experience with making their own personal drums samples?

For homemade samples I use Stomper.
Mangling existing sounds is good, too. Turning cymbals into kicks and vice-versa.
Still, nothing beats the x0x-samples from hyperreal.

Groet, Erik

[Orbitutle]

I used stomper too.. But I still found it hard to make em real real phat.
Using multiple kicksamples and twist'n'turn em is something I do alot too.

Where can I get those samples you are talking about?

[quincy]

One thing you could try, is to get hold of a sample editor, then take your stomper created kicks and boost them by mixing multiple ones, adding EQ, distortion etc.

There are also some good cheap and free drum synth VSTi's out there, including MicroTonic, Drumatic and others i can't think of right now!

Another way to do it, get hold of loops and then just cut out the bits you want, and maybe overlay with extra synth drums o phatten them up. In my opinion the best way to get phat kicks is to overlay several, but use the decay settings(if available) to have the attack from one kick, overlayed with the rest of another kick for example.

[tetraplan]

I used stomper too.. But I still found it hard to make em real real phat.

I use multiple oscillators. Long pitch-envelope, low-pitched sine-wave to beef it up.

Where can I get those samples you are talking about?

You can find them here.

Groet, Erik

[Rock Hardbuns]

Drummatics kick is ace. I advice against mixing and messing to much with the kick. It depends on what you want to achive, of course, but genrally speaking you get the most energy (perceived volume) from a pure waveform. What separates to good ones from the bad ones is mostly the pitch envelope.

my 2c

[quincy]

Just thought of another cheap trick.

If you get a kick sample, you can increase the volume of the first small bit(tiny fractions of a second) to increase the "attack" sound. Its a mixed bag to be honest, but sometimes it can work well just to get the kick to punch through the mix a bit more.

[tee boy]

What you need to do is yo layer a sampled kick over and electronic one. For example, sample a nice punch bass drum for vinyl (or whatever), then layer it over a fat, round 909 kick. You might need to adjust the pitch and phase, but this usually provides top results. At least, this is how all the trance guys do it (Van Buren etc). Just experiment with this technique and before to long you'll be making sounds that fit the bill perfectly. Once you get a sound you like, EQ and compress to taste. Some people also use distortion to get that big thumping trance kick sound.

For the electronic drum there are load of free vst's that do the job great. Stomper, CM505, Ersdrum, Drumatic, Freshly Killed Beat, Drumsynth are all suitable. DR008 and RMIV are also top notch, infact i use RMIV for electronic kicks more than anything right now.

[Orbitutle]

Thanks for all the great tips mates