What would make you switch to Linux?

[stanlea]

I'd still like to know why the Linux community has issues with some of us not being interested in their OS.

As part of the Linux community, I don't care at all if people are not interested. Do not consider one or two people's opinion as the opinion of a community. I hate all kind of proselytism, including OS choice.

I think that we have the answer to the original post. In fact, a lot of answers.

I'd just like to sort some facts :

Linux is free software : that is not an argument, just a fact. One can choose free software.
Linux does not work for audio : false.
Linux does not work for audio as well as mac or windows : true, if you consider the drivers issues.
Linux has jack at its heart : not like windows or mac. You can live without jack, you may want to live with it.
Linux has less good software than w&m : yes.
Linux has no good software : nope.
Linux, Windows and Mac has childish fans : yes

I switched to Linux because :
- it works for me
- if don't like the idea of buying windows every 4 years, even OEM
- jack
- native live coding
- geek spirit
- some cool people here
- weird experimental stuff
and I'm happy. Dot.

[RunBeerRun]

Does Linux audio pro have Autotune and a piano roll cuz I'm gonna be big.

[stanlea]

Does Linux audio pro have Autotune and a piano roll cuz I'm gonna be big.

Yup, all zat and the full KK stuff too.

[glokraw]

Can you give me some specific examples?

Logic now has Flexpitch and "Drummer".

Live has audio to MIDI.

Cubase has remote studio session.


The list is endless ... Linux is still on the starting line.

Nothing wrong with that, it just can't compete with the big players (yet).

Compete? End-user linux isn't even a product for sale, beyond the books, magazines
and dvds it sometimes is distributed with. It is a free alternative, at the cost
of ones time to learn some of it. That price opens the doors to music production
for some people.

Logic $200, Live $800, Cubase $500, Sonar $500, protools $700,
S1 $400, despite gigantic lists of features, the host forum thrives
on the complaints and rants of those switching back and forth among them.

That the list is endless, is meaningless, because nobody has the time,
need, or desire, for it all. How many own three big-name softsynths, and have time
or skill to maximize even just them? A few. Most just keep buying or
downloading more, and cherry-picking what they like. Nothing wrong with that.
It's for music.

The linux starting line, is actually a deepening reservoir, very flexible,
and getting better all the time. I recently won a sound library,
so I made drumkit out of it, and now can use all my Hydrogen pattern collection
to play the new sounds with anything made using their predecessors, in time, or syncopated.
Great way to fit new instruments in old tunes,
along with starting new ones.

Again, I'm not advocating people switch to only linux, I have been using
non-dongled windows vsts in linux/wine/reaper, since reaper 2.x days.
IK, NI, U-he, Wusik, yada yada (I also think it's dumb for a windows user
to switch to a Mac, and abandon some of the windows software catalog,
when both can be used) To me, more is better,
and exclusivity is a decomposing dinosaur.
Cheers

[ghettosynth]

Can you give me some specific examples?

Logic now has Flexpitch and "Drummer".

Live has audio to MIDI.

Cubase has remote studio session.


The list is endless ... Linux is still on the starting line.

Nothing wrong with that, it just can't compete with the big players (yet).

Logic $200, Live $800, Cubase $500, Sonar $500, protools $700,
S1 $400, despite gigantic lists of features, the host forum thrives
on the complaints and rants of those switching back and forth among them.

That the list is endless, is meaningless, because nobody has the time,
need, or desire, for it all. How many own three big-name softsynths, and have time
or skill to maximize even just them? A few. Most just keep buying or
downloading more, and cherry-picking what they like. Nothing wrong with that.
It's for music.

Dude, you're moving the goal posts again, you asked for lists, you got lists, you can't now dismiss the lists as meaningless. The only thing that people using multiple hosts shows is that any one tool isn't enough for some people. What makes you think that using a tool with FEWER features is now going to satisfy those folks? Any one of those tools has many features that linux tools do not currently have.

I recently won a sound library, so I made drumkit out of it, and now can use all my Hydrogen pattern collection to play the new sounds with anything made using their predecessors, in time, or syncopated. Great way to fit new instruments in old tunes,
along with starting new ones.

Seriously, I'm missing something here, you created a drumkit? That's special why?

[glokraw]

Easy, name me the native plugin in Linux that sounds as good as U-He Diva, NI Monark, Slate VBC, UAD Fatso, Lexicon PCM, or Spectrasonic Omnisphere (assuming you have tried these plugins on windows or mac )?

Waveforms are common. Bread and butter. The effects bring them to life,
and linux has some fine effects. Certainly not 40 competing brands, but there are plenty
of best this-and-that topics, leading nowhere. I would choose hexter, yoshimi, whysynth,
phasex, calf monosynth and calf organ, for a start, and if you are good with effects,
the calf and invada collections, and rakarrack, provide great results.
The calf collection even has very nice graphics.

You make it sound like bimbos at the club will be shrieking, 'It's diva, it's omnisphere!!!'
What elitist nonsense. Even Synth1 and synthedit sounds
can be effected into greatness.

[glokraw]

Further, it's all well and good to say that you can run Reaktor under wine, until you need NI's help.

I've never needed their help. The installers, and service centers work,
and the plugins make music. Straw man argument.

[ghettosynth]

Easy, name me the native plugin in Linux that sounds as good as U-He Diva, NI Monark, Slate VBC, UAD Fatso, Lexicon PCM, or Spectrasonic Omnisphere (assuming you have tried these plugins on windows or mac )?

Waveforms are common. Bread and butter. The effects bring them to life,
and linux has some fine effects. Certainly not 40 competing brands, but there are plenty
of best this-and-that topics, leading nowhere. I would choose hexter, yoshimi, whysynth,
phasex, calf monosynth and calf organ, for a start, and if you are good with effects,
the calf and invada collections, and rakarrack, provide great results.
The calf collection even has very nice graphics.

You make it sound like bimbos at the club will be shrieking, 'It's diva, it's omnisphere!!!'
What elitist nonsense. Even Synth1 and synthedit sounds
can be effected into greatness.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the technology. There is no reason why open source developers couldn't compete with Diva/Monark in terms of sound when/if they implement the technology, but, to suggest that there is nothing to it simply betrays your ignorance of the differences.

I don't care what people "in the club" think, I can hear the difference, consequently, it matters to me absolutely, and it matters because it affects how I play. I don't think that you can make Synth1 sound like Diva in all cases where it matters to me, I know that I can't. It is not simply a matter of adding effects to a lackluster synth, just as with analogue synths, the quality of the components matters.

[ghettosynth]

Further, it's all well and good to say that you can run Reaktor under wine, until you need NI's help.

I've never needed their help. The installers, and service centers work,
and the plugins make music. Straw man argument.

Again, you are failing to grok the point. Nobody suggested that YOU need the help, I've never called NI for support other than to sell a plugin either. This thread is asking OTHERS what do they need to switch, it is absolutely a concern for them. They do call NI for support help, ergo, support is a reason to stick with Windows/OSX.

[glokraw]

Seriously, I'm missing something here, you created a drumkit? That's special why?

Ask toontrack...

[ghettosynth]

Seriously, I'm missing something here, you created a drumkit? That's special why?

Ask toontrack...

I'm assuming that this is difficult to do with EZ-Drummer. IIRC, they lock their samples to the engine and you have to buy their packs. So what, I don't use EZDrummer at all. What you're talking about is trivial in Ableton's drum racks, Battery, or Kontakt, and for that matter, pretty much any modern drum machine software and every host DAW.

I imagine someone using EZ-Drummer is willing to compromise on this issue to get the features that EZ-Drummer has. Let's be clear, Hydrogen does not have EZDrummer's user interface, for better or for worse, nor have I heard anything coming out of Hydrogen that approaches the depth and capability of the EZ Drummer engine for acoustic drums.

[glokraw]

This is blatant fanboi-ism and nothing else.

No Linux host has the advanced features of any mature Mac/Win DAW.

To claim they do is simply insane.

Widen your net, I've done a session
with bitwig as an fx processor for reaper, along with other linux fx,
just for the fun of it. Tracktion's linux version is regularly updated,
Ardour3 has a mission that includes Harrison Mixbus,
and qtractor, is always getting better, and has more features than you know,
I doubt you've even heard of it. Don't become Bagdad Bob. That legend
should live on as it is.

[jancivil]

Can you give me some specific examples?

Logic now has Flexpitch and "Drummer".

Live has audio to MIDI.

Cubase has remote studio session.


The list is endless ... Linux is still on the starting line.

Nothing wrong with that, it just can't compete with the big players (yet).

Compete? End-user linux isn't even a product for sale

Well, you're the one making competitive statements.
Second time someone has taken a figurative usage literally [& disingenuously] in order to argue a point. That's competitive behavior.
EG:

Widen your net.

and move to Linux. It very demonstrably would mean cutting holes in mine.

[ZenPunkHippy]

Widen your net, I've done a session
with bitwig as an fx processor for reaper, along with other linux fx,
just for the fun of it. Tracktion's linux version is regularly updated

So in order to get quality features not available for free on Linux, I have to pay for it?

Who would have thought?

This "dream" feels like running down one of those long corridors where the end always just out of reach

[Arglebargle]

So we can run Bitwig, Reaper, and Tracktion in Linux, or we can just run them easier and more successfully in Windows or OSX. What a difficult decision.