Some Love for Studio One

[hibidy]

I've been using Studio One Professional since its launch in 2009, it's an awesome DAW for recording and editing audio files, especially with the Melodyne ARA integration - however, it's not my main DAW since I need more advanced "MIDI" editing and sequencing features than Studio One offers.

Today it's easy for me to sum up the current status of this software:

- It's generally very appealing to people who found Cubase, Logic, et al "too complicated" and "bloated". Which translates to: "I don't need advanced MIDI features because I just want to record my voice and guitars." Result: Lots and lots of Studio One users are the kind of people who want everything to be "easy".

- Since Presonus is foremost a hardware company, selling their own audio gear, most of the customers seem to be live musicians and performers. Studio One integrates more and more with such a focus as well.

- Audio engineers love Studio One because it saves time with the workflow, also lots of the "I want my DAW to be easy" kind of people who switch to Studio One will eventually seek out professional mixing and mastering assistance when they're done recording. Thus, more clients.

- The heavy focus on audio recording and editing have created a de facto consensus among Studio One users to dwarf anyone who suggests that the DAW needs more MIDI-centric workflow features. So, in conclusion, Studio One might overall be the worst DAW on the planet to invest in if you're composing in the box rather than recording external audio sources. Although it's an excellent choice if you need simple pianoroll editing and if you're a beginner producer.

Perfectly stated imho.

I fixed that for you

[kingkarnovbeats]

Ive done alot of composing in studio one which I like alot. I think its very flexible. One thing I dont like (mind you, I do know that this software is in version 2) is the qwerty keyboard. I use a mac quadcore i7 with 16gb of ram 1tb drive. I still get delays once I record, but when im not pressing the record button and I just monitor, it works very well with no latency. I called for tech support and they informed me that "Studio one qwerty keyboard was not made for programming on the go with the qwerty keyboard", (as I have to often)so I say in my head, "then why include it". I understand though. Maybe a better one in v3. Right now I use easy midi to trigger my midi when im not in my studio. Maybe in v3 they should make the qwerty keyboard where you can switch the input and output to proremote or apple default midi in stead of the hardcoded presonus midi, thus causing delay.

Besides that issues and adminstering color options, I am all for the software.

[hibidy]

That's interesting. I've always used a midi controller for that stuff. I run at 128 buffer and 48k, I think I get maybe 7ms latency round-trip and it's really not noticeable.

One niggle, you have to be DEAD ON when loop recording midi or the first note won't be right. I know, timing is important but it's too rigid compared to say live where you can record away and it will catch the first note.

[CTStump]

Ive done alot of composing in studio one which I like alot. I think its very flexible. One thing I dont like (mind you, I do know that this software is in version 2) is the qwerty keyboard. I use a mac quadcore i7 with 16gb of ram 1tb drive. I still get delays once I record, but when im not pressing the record button and I just monitor, it works very well with no latency. I called for tech support and they informed me that "Studio one qwerty keyboard was not made for programming on the go with the qwerty keyboard", (as I have to often)so I say in my head, "then why include it". I understand though. Maybe a better one in v3. Right now I use easy midi to trigger my midi when im not in my studio. Maybe in v3 they should make the qwerty keyboard where you can switch the input and output to proremote or apple default midi in stead of the hardcoded presonus midi, thus causing delay.

Besides that issues and adminstering color options, I am all for the software.

I agree, it should be available without latency during recording(QWERTY keyboard). I'm sure it has something to do with the way it interacts with the OS(a driver rewrite maybe)

Sounds like a good FR for those who rely on that. Of course as it grows in maturity that may be addressed.

[kingkarnovbeats]

Its a great program.

[decalogue]

I've been using Studio One Professional since its launch in 2009, it's an awesome DAW for recording and editing audio files, especially with the Melodyne ARA integration - however, it's not my main DAW since I need more advanced "MIDI" editing and sequencing features than Studio One offers.

Today it's easy for me to sum up the current status of this software:

- It's generally very appealing to people who found Cubase, Logic, et al "too complicated" and "bloated". Which translates to: "I don't need advanced MIDI features because I just want to record my voice and guitars." Result: Lots and lots of Studio One users are the kind of people who want everything to be "easy".

- Since Presonus is foremost a hardware company, selling their own audio gear, most of the customers seem to be live musicians and performers. Studio One integrates more and more with such a focus as well.

- Audio engineers love Studio One because it saves time with the workflow, also lots of the "I want my DAW to be easy" kind of people who switch to Studio One will eventually seek out professional mixing and mastering assistance when they're done recording. Thus, more clients.

- The heavy focus on audio recording and editing have created a de facto consensus among Studio One users to dwarf anyone who suggests that the DAW needs more MIDI-centric workflow features. So, in conclusion, Studio One might overall be the worst DAW on the planet to invest in if you're composing in the box rather than recording external audio sources. Although it's an excellent choice if you need simple pianoroll editing and if you're a beginner producer.

Perfectly stated.

Thanks. And contrary to some other people here, I actually support my claims with arguments. There is a reason why certain Studio One users will object to my conclusions - that's because they recognize themselves in my description.

And they will always respond by dwarfing people, not by providing more rational arguments. It's even more evident when they're rubbing each others' backs in the Presonus forums.

[decalogue]

Perfectly stated.

no it's not.

i just pick out as one example this:

kind of people who switch to Studio One will eventually seek out professional mixing and mastering assistance when they're done recording. Thus, more clients.

stating this for a DAW which comes with a mastering environment is ridiculous.
and the rest of his conclusions isn't better.

I'm referring to the clients who want everything to be easy. Real mixing and mastering skills require many years of training - not exactly the kind of skills that Joe Blow acquires just because his DAW has a mixer and some easy "mastering" features.

So, again - yes, such Studio One users constitute a real market for a few audio engineers. That's probably why they're spending so much time trying to be "helpful" in the Presonus forums in the first place: potential clients. The benefits of using the same DAW and referring to the same issues are legio in that context.

I'd like to see some actual arguments, except for the tiresome "Studio One is such a baby DAW, let's see how far it has come in the year 2047!" You know, the other DAWs are evolving too.

Do you really see anything that indicates that Presonus will focus more on composing-in-the-box midi editing features...? Because I certainly don't, unless you'd point to a possible integration of Notion.

No, what I see is a DAW which is heavily focused on the recording, editing and mixing of audio files. Granted, Presonus will hopefully continue to invent new clever solutions, especially in regard to the hardware-software integration, but please... let's just face it: Joe Blow is reaching for his guitar and mic.

[LawrenceF]

Face reality, not every workstation caters to the electronic music or midi crowd. Some products lean more towards the audio side since the world is also full of people who don't use any midi sequencing at all. I know that's a hard idea for some to grasp.

Not every single workstation is made for the meaty part of the KVR wheelhouse.

That's not an excuse, that's reality. If a person needs much a more mature midi product there are - tons - of great products that do all that. Cubase, Logic, DP, FLStudio, to name just a few great ones. I used to have a real need for all that, I don't so much anymore.

[CTStump]

So, again - yes, such Studio One users constitute a real market for a few audio engineers. That's probably why they're spending so much time trying to be "helpful" in the Presonus forums in the first place: potential clients. The benefits of using the same DAW and referring to the same issues are legio in that context.

I'd like to see some actual arguments, except for the tiresome "Studio One is such a baby DAW, let's see how far it has come in the year 2047!" You know, the other DAWs are evolving too.

This is really NOT the case, there are a lot of musicians using Studio one in ALL three of it's variants(also free). As far as Engineers are concerned there are a few but not a majority nor do the hawk there wares there(although a few help from time to time).

To hold Studio One to a high standard in comparison to more mature platforms seems petty, granted it is at it's current state well thought out and will catch up and have the same issues all other software have but hopefully not as inhibiting as others not mentioned(they start with the letters C, S and PT(there you go Dan)).

[LawrenceF]

This generation needs to get past the narcissistic idea that everything was designed with them specifically in mind.

[hibidy]

But you guys didn't provide PROOF, thus dwarfing people and not providing rational debate!

Wait for it..........."fanboi" is coming

[LawrenceF]

It's just software for god's sake.

I wouldn't (as a random example) personally use Reaper for anything midi really. Personally, for my preferences, I'd rate it below Studio One and almost everything else for any serious midi production.

But (the oft missing context) I'm just one guy in a never ending sea of people with personal preferences, and mine don't automatically become a rule or a hard fact for everyone else.

As an audio workstation otoh, Reaper is exceptional. It's overall worth as a product is certainly not determined by how I personally feel about it's midi sequencing bits... which I pretty much deplore.

The world doesn't revolve around my personal preferences. If it did, there would be a law stating that all women under 25 and under 130 lbs. would be required to be topless in public at all times.

[murnau]

Perfectly stated.

no it's not.

i just pick out as one example this:

kind of people who switch to Studio One will eventually seek out professional mixing and mastering assistance when they're done recording. Thus, more clients.

stating this for a DAW which comes with a mastering environment is ridiculous.
and the rest of his conclusions isn't better.

I'm referring to the clients who want everything to be easy. Real mixing and mastering skills require many years of training - not exactly the kind of skills that Joe Blow acquires just because his DAW has a mixer and some easy "mastering" features.

So, again - yes, such Studio One users constitute a real market for a few audio engineers. That's probably why they're spending so much time trying to be "helpful" in the Presonus forums in the first place: potential clients. The benefits of using the same DAW and referring to the same issues are legio in that context.

I'd like to see some actual arguments, except for the tiresome "Studio One is such a baby DAW, let's see how far it has come in the year 2047!" You know, the other DAWs are evolving too.

Do you really see anything that indicates that Presonus will focus more on composing-in-the-box midi editing features...? Because I certainly don't, unless you'd point to a possible integration of Notion.

No, what I see is a DAW which is heavily focused on the recording, editing and mixing of audio files. Granted, Presonus will hopefully continue to invent new clever solutions, especially in regard to the hardware-software integration, but please... let's just face it: Joe Blow is reaching for his guitar and mic.

oh please? that are your arguments? then that would count for every DAW and had nothing to do with S1, so you arguments are bullshit.

especially your big point: the midi-editing is enough and i said that having fl studio and cubase 6.5 too and still it's enough or are you unable to play your phrases or what?

you only talking crap, sorry to say that so open. i think you dont use this DAW in a regular basis. you are one of those people who like to "talk about it" but actually you need a little bit of practice.

i'm not the kind of guy who put people in a corner but since you do this all the time here i think it's only fair to do the same with you.

funny is: this DAW is really young and nobody said that it's finished but your conclusions are totally crap anyway. that aren't arguments but only your own opinions.

it's to boring.

and you are in the wrong thread btw. and you dont get even that?

what do you think why OP open this thread?

because people like you bashing a young DAW for nothing!

[hibidy]

I have a LONG list of things I think the devs could improve/fix. I don't know if it will ever happen and considering the way software companies go, I just make due with what I have.

The joy of using is S1 is the ability to go from a to b w/o too much fuss. And it's really stable.

The person in question seems to state that we are somehow lesser for wanting this workflow. Other than sonar (which doesn't work for many and that is well documented) it's choose what you want and live with the workarounds.

[LawrenceF]

Oops, wrong thread. Please delete.