Casio VZ-1 vsti

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fmr wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
I listened to the audio examples posted of the VZ, and I guess you could come close enough to many of them with Zebra that plenty of people would be happy with the result... VZ or CZ, there is a common basic sound. And you can get that with Zebra... Like I said it is not at all an emulation, but some people do not necessarily care about an exact emulation, and mostly would like to get the particular sonic quality. I like that airy/fizzy sound and it has its own character.

cheers
I didn't listen to the examples, but if they come from the factory sounds, they are not good examples. The majority of the sounds are merely average, IMO, and you can get better if you dig deeper in the synthesis engine (which is only possible with a software editor, IMO). The same happened woith the CZ - the factory sounds are almost useless, and one would only start to like the synth after starting programming it.
And I insist - you can't compare CZ and VZ - they are NOT the same thing. The only thing they have in common, as a matter of fact, is the Z in the name, and fact that both use eight stage envelopes. If you come from a CZ and start working with a VZ, you will feel completely lost (been there, done that).
Zebra is a fantastic synth, and I like it a lot, but iit can't be the answer to everything.
Of course it is not the answer to everything... it is merely a suggestion to get the sort of timbres that the Casio synths have and I only made the suggestion since there is no VZ emulation so the only choices are to buy old hardware or use existing softsynths to come as close as possible... and the CZ and VZ may be very different, but they have some similar character... the VZ has some different sound, but also some similar sound...

Also, another suggestion is Bazille... It can have many similar tones to the Casio synths as well cause it has PD/RM/AM and all osc's can modulate each other...

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liqih wrote:Moreover you can do very similar sounds with other currently available synth plugins
Which, please ?
Sonic Assault wrote:
fmr wrote:One is Kassiopeia, by Sonic Assault. Almost perfect. The closest to a Casio CZ I ever got in software. And it is free.
You might like to try version 2.1 - now has 16 voice polyphony.

http://www.mediafire.com/?8naefigpk939l2j

And it's still free... :wink:
Great news, thank you ! 8)

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Here it is!
Sound scheme of a VeeZee synth:

http://www.sallyandsteve.dsl.pipex.com/ ... ration.gif

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[Solstice] wrote:
liqih wrote:Moreover you can do very similar sounds with other currently available synth plugins
Which, please ?
NI FM8, IL Sytrus or ConcretFX Digital, (maybe others too)

IL Sytrus is great, if just had a properly sized GUI, for my taste of course, <wink>

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Wait what ? The VZ1 is partly analog ? I had no idea.

EDIT:Upon further inspection,not really. I was fooled by the DCO DCA components which are not analog as i first thought.

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I echo the sentiments of those that ask you to stop lumping the CZs and VZs in the same camp. They are quite a bit different.. I am constantly using my HS2 (a hohner rebadge of the VZ1) really good keyboard and excellent as a controller as it has 3 mod wheels and aftertouch.
IMO the sounds can be replicated by any number of synths but the OP (all those years ago) may have been looking for an actual software clone that is sysex compatible of which none exist as far as I know..
As a bit of a side issue I am and always have been a bit of a casio-fanboy and have either owned and lost or collected quite a few in my time.

At this moment I have the following in my grubby little mitts:
  • the aforementioned Hohner HS2 (Casio VZ1 clone)
    a VZ8 Rack-mount
    a 1000p (shame its not midi, anybody know of a reasonably priced kit)
    an HT6000 (great sounds, very 80s, but a couple of sticky keys and a really annoying auto-off 'feature')
    a GZ-50m mini standard GM module (surprisingly good pianos and strings especially good layerd with the HS2)
    a WK3000 which I use as my master keyboard as it is 88 note, I really like the piano sounds on this and it is possible to edit the sounds , but of course, I rarely do)
    two SK1 Sampling Keyboards (I bought these to experiment with circuit bending, never got around to it, would sell to a good home!)
    a casiotone 202 (my first proper polyphonic keyboard, re-bought for sentimental reasons)
Like the rest of the world I would really like a 400 with its analog filters but they getting hard to find and are going for silly money. Also a lot of the older casiotone stuff now is getting snaffled up for circuit-bending so getting hard to find and priced beyond its worth, car-boot sales can still turn them up though.

Sorry to go a bit off-topic.

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liqih wrote:Moreover you can do very similar sounds with other currently available synth plugins
[Solstice] wrote:Which, please ?
liqih wrote:NI FM8, IL Sytrus or ConcretFX Digital, (maybe others too)

IL Sytrus is great, if just had a properly sized GUI, for my taste of course, <wink>
With NI FM8, IL Sytrus... you can get Casio VZ-1 sounds ? :shock:

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IMO none of these come close to a hardware CZ/VZ.

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[Solstice] wrote:
liqih wrote:Moreover you can do very similar sounds with other currently available synth plugins
[Solstice] wrote:Which, please ?
liqih wrote:NI FM8, IL Sytrus or ConcretFX Digital, (maybe others too)

IL Sytrus is great, if just had a properly sized GUI, for my taste of course, <wink>
With NI FM8, IL Sytrus... you can get Casio VZ-1 sounds ? :shock:
Yes confirmed, <grin>
especially IL Sytrus can get very close, hey it's not even a plugin of mine (!),
maybe never exactly the same as the hardware (Wolfgang K, the DAC and analogue mix parts have theirs qualities too),
but similar enough, after all not even the NI FM8 output is indentical to DX7 hardware.

ps. I don't mean that it's easy to program IL Sytrus like that, <wink>

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ianweb123 wrote:I echo the sentiments of those that ask you to stop lumping the CZs and VZs in the same camp. They are quite a bit different.. I am constantly using my HS2 (a hohner rebadge of the VZ1) really good keyboard and excellent as a controller as it has 3 mod wheels and aftertouch.
IMO the sounds can be replicated by any number of synths but the OP (all those years ago) may have been looking for an actual software clone that is sysex compatible of which none exist as far as I know..
Sorry to go a bit off-topic.
Yes and yes, I could not even "emulate" the CZ with the VZ-8M, sounds too different,
like plastic vs glass, <grin>

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...I've got an VZ1 hardware, but, is there any software version nowadays???

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No, not as far as I'm aware

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VZ-1 voice architecture is similar to the Yamaha DX synthesizers in that you have several oscillators that link together to generate extra harmonics via some form of algorithm. Where the DX7 has six oscillators to choose from, the VZ has eight
If it can be compared to DX7, you might want to check out FM8

BTW, why would Casio build a synth that sounds like a toilet? :o :lol:

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I own one, it can sound like a toilet or bath, but its best sounds are brasses and strings. A bit more interesting than DX7, and of course, FM8

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As I understand it was a bargain when it was released, costing just DM2000 (that would be just above US$1000), meaning it also underpriced the DX7

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