KVR Audio

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:43 pm

HobbyCore wrote:
dr4kan wrote:
HobbyCore wrote: CPU usage is not good on OS X. I've seen a few Windows benchmarks comparing Studio One with cubase, pro tools, samplitude, reaper etc.. and Studio One is usually in the middle of the pack. On OS X it often runs 60% less efficient than the next least efficient DAW. Really pitiful.
probably not good on your OSX. Here I have S1, Cubase 7.5 and Logic X and S1 more CPU friendly than Cubase. Just Logic X performs (slightly) better.
Note that I referenced benchmarks, not my own testing. You can see a representative benchmark here http://www.dawbench.com/win7-v-osx-5.htm

You could do a formal test yourself with the projects listed here http://www.dawbench.com/benchmarks.htm . Now, to reference my own testing, Studio One 2.6.2 is still significantly less efficient than every other DAW that I've tested on OS X (I was unable to test Cubase, but I did manually duplicate the project for Digital Performer). I did this within the last 3 weeks on a brand new i7 iMac with a fresh install of Mavericks.

It's also worth considering the anecdotal data. A lot of people have complained about Studio One's poor performance on OS X relative to other DAWs. This thread alone demonstrates that.

Note that these discussions hinge around how much load before a DAW shows an error (buffer underrun or similar). NOT how much cpu usage is reported. Studio One may show cpu usage on par with other DAWs, but it begins to error at much lower loads, lower buffer sizes and with fewer plugin instances.

A couple of things:

1. As a Studio One owner, I agree that the performance can be improved upon. It's not as efficient as Sonar or Reaper, but I mostly use it because it's been completely stable (which Sonar isn't) and has a great workflow (where Reaper and I stop getting along).

2. The benchmarks you referenced were with Studio One 1.5, and we are on version 2.6.3 now, so they're not quite up to date.

3. Glad you ran your own benchmarks on your own machine. How much worse was it? Are we talking about a small difference in track counts, or was it significant? Did you document the results? I'm very curious.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:05 pm

It's not just mac guys, it's PC too. I STILL get spiky movement on this 4770. It's not ruining my life but it's annoying nonetheless. I've gone through EVERYTHING that presonus recommends. I was told flat out that studio one is NOT OPTIMIZED cpu wise.

I've been bitching about it (along with countless others) for over 3 years now.

HobbyCore · Post by **HobbyCore** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:30 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: 2. The benchmarks you referenced were with Studio One 1.5, and we are on version 2.6.3 now, so they're not quite up to date.

3. Glad you ran your own benchmarks on your own machine. How much worse was it? Are we talking about a small difference in track counts, or was it significant? Did you document the results? I'm very curious.

I did not use the VI test, only the DSP test, to be clear.

My notes say that at a buffer size of 256, the DSP benchmark ran without issue in Reaper, Digital Performer and Pro Tools 11 HD. Reaper would run it at 128, but not consistently. I did not document the Studio One results because I never actually finished the test! I got tired of counting how many inserts I had to disable at a buffer size of 256. I was unable to run the project in Studio One as-is at a buffer size of 1024. It did not run consistently at 2048 or 4096.

I did try to replicate the benchmark in Tracktion, but the UI became sluggish while trying to replicate it. I gave up. The benchmark would have to be changed to be applicable to Logic.

As far as the DAWBench results being from Studio One 1.6; I've seen no changes in the number of complaints about the OS X performance and my own less-than-rigorous testing shows that 2.6.2.25560 (the current version btw) is still very inefficient comparatively.

nIGhT-SoN · Post by **nIGhT-SoN** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:22 am

I'm curious what will be new in Studio One 3, I hope more routing options and some midi editing stuff. I'm kind of sad that I won a 50% reduction on Studio One, I have right now the Artist version at home, and don't have the money to buy the producer or professional version. I could maybe give it to someone who wants to buy it and if they want to give something in return, that will be highly appreciated.

dr4kan · Post by **dr4kan** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:44 am

HobbyCore wrote: As far as the DAWBench results being from Studio One 1.6; I've seen no changes in the number of complaints about the OS X performance and my own less-than-rigorous testing shows that 2.6.2.25560 (the current version btw) is still very inefficient comparatively.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:40 pm

Just out of curiosity as I only demoed this years ago at version 1 something and the cpu usage on my Mac was horrible... the latest version seems to be a lot better. But more importantly what does Studio One offer that is different or unique compared to Logic or Cubase for instance... i.e. why would someone use it instead of the others as it is basically a linear sequencer with a mixer etc.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:46 pm

@DHR53 Studio One had a lot of nice workflow features - eg dragging and dropping from the right hand panel to instantiate instruments and so on. It has been written from a fresh start by a couple of coders who worked on Steinberg's Nuendo. They are presumably integrating the Notion scoring package Presonus bought last year so it should have support for printing scores and editing MIDI using a score editor.

SWallace · Post by **SWallace** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:38 pm

hibidy wrote:It's not just mac guys, it's PC too. I STILL get spiky movement on this 4770. It's not ruining my life but it's annoying nonetheless. I've gone through EVERYTHING that presonus recommends. I was told flat out that studio one is NOT OPTIMIZED cpu wise.

I've been bitching about it (along with countless others) for over 3 years now.

Damn that sucks. Used to have similar problems on a 3770k. Updated the BiOS after I had it for about 4-6 months and that fixed the problem.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:41 pm

I DLd the latest version and started testing... Seems pretty capable as far as I can see. Everything is there. The audio stretching seems interesting although I haven't had much luck stretching some drum loops in the editor. Are audio clips supposed to adapt to the tempo when you place them in? I see you can option stretch like in Logic. Not as good as Live, which is the best as far as I'm concerned but there are some interesting editing and slicing options. The included fx and instruments are o.k. If the demo has everything you get with the full version. Will be testing onward...

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:17 pm

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:36 pm

^^^^^ That guy got all excited about Reason 8 .

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:39 pm

What is most frustrating is how the gui slows down when you are recording automation which makes knob movements for many plugins jerky and sticky. It must be cpu/gpu related.

valerian_777 · Post by **valerian_777** » Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:56 pm

Studio One 3? With the tempo now maybe in 2018..

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:13 am

MEH, I take it back. The studio one forum has gotten so bad, I don't know if I can tolerate the complete lack of joy. Anyways, it's gonna be version 3 and we'll see in about 10 days what it is like.

If it's not V3, then it's a serious troll by presonus.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:23 am

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