KVR Audio

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:29 pm

Hopefully it's not horribly off topic but I'm wonder for those of you with live do you like "the glue" with the soft clip engaged? Feel free to tell me how off-base I am

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:36 pm

hibidy wrote:Hopefully it's not horribly off topic but I'm wonder for those of you with live do you like "the glue" with the soft clip engaged? Feel free to tell me how off-base I am

The Glue is worth the nearly half a million hits it has got at Gearslutz imho.

I only got the version on the Ableton 9, but man, what a piece of work. They don't call it the Glue for nothing. Sheer audio genius. I would buy this if I had the money, but you know.

As for Soft Clip engaged? Man, don't be so technical!

Funnily enough, I find that the Glue is almost like a limiter, even though it is supposed to be a compressor (I know from the G-Console SSL or summat, but that means nothing to me). It certainly knows how to put the audio over its knee and spank it, that is for sure.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:59 pm

That's what I'm saying though. With the soft clip engaged, it seems to make a quite tolerable limiter plus the benefit of the glue. So, my point w/o going too far off topic is that I wonder how many people with live 9 even know that is an option. I mean it's "free" if you have live 9

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:05 pm

hibidy wrote:Hopefully it's not horribly off topic but I'm wonder for those of you with live do you like "the glue" with the soft clip engaged? Feel free to tell me how off-base I am

The Glue is fine, but I found Klanghelm DC1A to do a wonderful job glueing a mix together with input at -5, output at +5 dB, "deep" and "relaxed" modes on. DC8C2 gives you more control, I really like it, although it's not free. Even just putting VOS ThrillseekerLA mix level to -18dB gives you a spot on sound, you don't have to touch anything else.
Now, back on topic

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:22 pm

hibidy wrote:That's what I'm saying though. With the soft clip engaged, it seems to make a quite tolerable limiter plus the benefit of the glue. So, my point w/o going too far off topic is that I wonder how many people with live 9 even know that is an option. I mean it's "free" if you have live 9

Ah. Gotcha! I just twiddle the knobs until it stops sounding crap.

It's probably all a lot of people need. Brickwall Limiting is not the be all and end all of mastering. It is not the right tool for every job. Maybe someone who knows what they are talking about here like bmanic or someone can say, but, I would venture that Brickwall Limiting is only needed as surgery in a certain amount of cases and it is used far more for creativity in a lot more (usually when it is not needed). I may be very very wrong.

I have certainly 'mastered' quite a few tracks with just the Glue engaged. I checked the levels with whatever and it never went over, it had dynamic range still, so I could always squash it like a bug later. But why bother if it sounds good. It is just a case then of proper mastering and getting a proper volume level consistently.

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:37 pm

lesha wrote:
hibidy wrote:Hopefully it's not horribly off topic but I'm wonder for those of you with live do you like "the glue" with the soft clip engaged? Feel free to tell me how off-base I am
The Glue is fine, but I found Klanghelm DC1A to do a wonderful job glueing a mix together with input at -5, output at +5 dB, "deep" and "relaxed" modes on. DC8C2 gives you more control, I really like it, although it's not free. Even just putting VOS ThrillseekerLA mix level to -18dB gives you a spot on sound, you don't have to touch anything else.
Now, back on topic

I have DC8C2, but have always had difficulty with it limiting, in any shape or form, but I am an ignoramus and have not used it enough to learn how to do this properly.

As for ThrillseekerLA, yes you can do quite a bit of limiting with that too iirc, once tweaked. I spent a lot of time with this one and still couldn't get it to Brickwall, but it can be subtley brutal when you figure it out. It's not meant to be a Brickwall limiter. But again, I might have got things very wrong.

I wouldn't use either of these for limiting, after my personal studies, but for compression they can't be bettered. And subtle compression. They aren't 'SLAMMERS', though you can get them there. Both beautiful compressors.

The Glue seems to blur the boundaries a bit more, I would venture. It reduces dynamic range to almost Brickwall Limiting, without the artifacts, and still maintaining most of the characteristics of a compressor.

I probably am talking out of my arse now. These are just my impressions.

Anyway, I can tame a track a lot easier with the Glue than the others. I can see what all the fuss is about. It is not as versatile as DC8C2 to my mind, but what it does...

Maybe I just need to learn how to use DC8C2 better.

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:51 pm

codec_spurt wrote:I have DC8C2, but have always had difficulty with it limiting, in any shape or form, but I am an ignoramus and have not used it enough to learn how to do this properly.

As for ThrillseekerLA, yes you can do quite a bit of limiting with that too iirc, once tweaked. I spent a lot of time with this one and still couldn't get it to Brickwall, but it can be subtley brutal when you figure it out. It's not meant to be a Brickwall limiter. But again, I might have got things very wrong.

I wouldn't use either of these for limiting, after my personal studies, but for compression they can't be bettered. And subtle compression. They aren't 'SLAMMERS', though you can get them there. Both beautiful compressors.

The Glue seems to blur the boundaries a bit more, I would venture. It reduces dynamic range to almost Brickwall Limiting, without the artifacts, and still maintaining most of the characteristics of a compressor.

I probably am talking out of my arse now. These are just my impressions.

Anyway, I can tame a track a lot easier with the Glue than the others. I can see what all the fuss is about. It is not as versatile as DC8C2 to my mind, but what it does...

Maybe I just need to learn how to use DC8C2 better.

Sorry, I was a bit off-topic, I also don't use them for limiting, just comparing them to The Glue in terms of glueing the mix.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:19 am

Yeah, I was specifically bringing it up because the live 9 version of "the glue" has a clip and was thinking if I should even be in the market for a new one. To me, not being much of a squisher/crusher it seems to kill the stray peak but gives the added benefit of it being a glue comp.

SaschArt · Post by **SaschArt** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:51 pm

http://vst.saschart.com/easylimiter

Best performance, very efficient and easy to use. Consumes less resources in the VST limiter area, far, incredibly less.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:14 pm

SaschArt wrote:http://vst.saschart.com/easylimiter

Best performance, very efficient and easy to use. Consumes less resources in the VST limiter area, far, incredibly less.

64 bit?

soulone82 · Post by **soulone82** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:31 pm

64 bit is so 2015...

Joking aside, the Easylimiter download contains a 64 bit version.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:40 pm

I never heard of this limiter before. I just put it up against L1 and AOM invisible limiter on a house master I recently did.. It came out better than L1 for leaving the bass intact on this particular track.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:10 am

soulone82 wrote:64 bit is so 2015...

Joking aside, the Easylimiter download contains a 64 bit version.

Excellent .... thanks

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:59 am

SaschArt wrote:http://vst.saschart.com/easylimiter

Best performance, very efficient and easy to use. Consumes less resources in the VST limiter area, far, incredibly less.

Very nice limiter

Thanks for this.

rifftrax · Post by **rifftrax** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:46 am

SaschArt wrote:http://vst.saschart.com/easylimiter

Best performance, very efficient and easy to use. Consumes less resources in the VST limiter area, far, incredibly less.

Damn this is reaaaaal good. Wow. This honestly makes L1+ sound like garbage and easily beats Loudmax. Soft with 0% stereo link and 1ms release is gold.

Best free limiter VST?