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TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:05 pm

What's up kiddies!

George yhong of 4Front technologies has posted up an article on the 4front website about a singing technique discovered by a russian scientist. I think it's been up there for a little while now....but i'm sure not many people have seen it yet.....it's interesting reading if you've got some time to kill.....Or if you actually do sing. ; )
Plus....I like george and 4front...so i'm doing a little free publicity work. lol.
check it out here... Articles Page at 4front

Peace!

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:13 pm

the article is completely wrong

- I've had a few singing lessons and my teacher told me the exact same thing the article desribes as a 'new' technique. Also I read a lot about singing
techniques and no-one of the authors did mention the vocal cords as being inportant. So this 'revolution' is actually old news.

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:15 pm

I don't know if I can take a russian scientist for serious who blew (in the year 1812!) air through dead bodies in order to discover the secret of a good voice...

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:22 pm

..by the way...go to the ear nose and throat doctor and let him look into your throat with the appropriate machinery while you are singing. if you manage not to vomit you can see what happens with your vocal cords.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:24 pm

as I wrote: afaik nearly everyone who is into singing considers these findings common sense nowadays

(apart from the author of the article it seems)

To me the article seems a bit like:

'Already 1915 the indian mathematician Unonotin Ubaztard has found out that if you multiply 2 with 2
the result is indeed four and not five but still today
in every math-lesson in the world children get taught
that 2*2 was five.'

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:32 pm

..."the membrane, which is a posterior wall of trachea and bronchi..."

I really don't understand where this membrane should be and why it should be more important than the vocal cords.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:35 pm

but you aren't a singer, are you?

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:39 pm

I am. do you understand anatomical whats meant with this membrane?

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:53 pm

lol, whoa! sorry guys. I sing...but i never have taken lessons...(sang in a grunge band in the eigth grade..and a hardcore band through highschool

) or read much on the subject....so i can't say whether he's right or wrong. oh well...the thought was there right?

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:55 pm

...no...its an intersting thread!...I only do not understand it...properly also because of the language barrier...

@jens kannse mal bidde deine pm checken?

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:00 pm

I am. do you understand anatomical whats meant with this membrane?

yes - it's something like muscles around the trachea...
- your whole body is able to give resonance - like
the body of a trumpet or that of a tuba. Your stomach is used to push air in the trachea and the membrane helps to controls it. The better you can control your stomach and the membrane and the better you manage to
use your body for resonance (to be more like a tuba than a trumpet) the louder and the lower you will be able to sing - that's what the article tries to say.
It's not a secret and nothing new.

Svante · Post by **Svante** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:25 pm

This information seems kinda dated ... nowadays 99.9% of all professional singing is conveyed via microphones, so there is no need for a singer to be 'loud'. One could argue that the technique gives the vocals a better timbre, but that's all a matter of taste. Stevie Wonder, for example, has a real whiny and nasal voice, but he's still an amazing singer, due to the amount of control he has over his vocal organ. The only way to achieve this is practice, practice, and more practice, preferrably from a very young age. Probably too late for most of us ...

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:45 pm

Now this text is really confusing.

Is this membrane just a part of the resonance tube? Is it now a muscel or a membrane? Does it just swing along with the sound of the vocal cords or produce a tone itself?

This part of the text is most confusing:

"The membrane itself has a great capability, provided that it is used efficiently. The great singers could sing as loud as 120-130dB, and we know, that such volume is impossible to gain using vocal cords."

They sing without vocal cords?

Strange.

If it is just a flexible part of the trachea I can't see what is so special about that.

I am confused.

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