KVR Audio

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:18 am

Frantz wrote:
BBFG# wrote: I personally like keeping both in effect if there is a difference in sound between the two.
It could be difficult because they have the same DLL name. In fact, Tone2 recommends uninstalling ElectraX before installing Electra2.

Thanks, I can try to move one to a different folder first. That's worked with other VIs I have.

julioelgenio · Post by **julioelgenio** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:31 am

JRRShop now carries Electra2!

They should have done a black GUI, but if it is open, I'll be straight on it

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:49 pm

I just bought it from JJR- good price...

I really didn't need anymore VSTi's, especially as I just bought Bazille, but I was really taken with this (and don't have any Tone2 stuff). What I really like was the workflow (GUI), for whatever reason it really made sense to me and reminded me of my hardware days with little LCD windows (in a good way), the animated waveforms make it easy to visualise what's happening- I have lush 101 and I find this much easier to program.

(Some great little touches- I like the initialise options, more Dev's should do this...)

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:54 am

Right, that's what I've been saying all along: the functionality and legibility of the GUI *is* important; the general aesthetic choices are mostly icing. What is most important when buying software is how it sounds and how you can use it to realize your artistic vision.

It's this extreme pickiness I've been seeing on KVR lately that wears thin: ElectraX/2 is and has been a fantastic piece of software. Avoiding it entirely because you hate the way it looks, even though the GUI is quite well laid out and legible, is to me just silly.

VOPM is ugly and only makes sense from the perspective of programming the chip it's supposed to emulate, and, guess what? It does a really good job of doing what it's meant to do. It's really ugly and counterintuitive when you first start to use it, but once you aclimate to the workflow, it's a very strong sound source if you're at all into chiptune type stuff. Very niche, but very useful. It was never finished, and since I've transitioned entirely to 64-bit, I no longer use it. I sure wish someone would pick it back up and finish it, though. The levels had to be boosted and you had to send it SysEx to turn on glide and other key features, but the tough, cutting, highly usable (for me) sound made these frustrations worth it.

So, the KVR princesses are wearing my patience thin lately. We're spoiled for choice, and that being the case, we often lose sight of what's most important for anyone who is serious about making music with the intention to publish: the sound. There is intense competition, particularly in electronic music these days. To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:37 am

DrWashington wrote:To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.

Unless there is another synth which also fits ones sonic needs/interests and which has a flat gui... then there is no reason not to pick that one based upon the gui appearance.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:02 am

I don't really understand all the backlash about one or two people who don't like the GUI to be honest. From what I can tell, most people really like this GUI. There will always be some people who don't like the look of something. Some people don't like Valhalla plug-in GUIs which is the opposite end of the spectrum. Who cares. There's nothing wrong with the ElectraX GUI as most agree. So what if a coupe people don't like it. It happens.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:03 am

pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.
Unless there is another synth which also fits ones sonic needs/interests and which has a flat gui... then there is no reason not to pick that one based upon the gui appearance.

c'mon, all these plugins have their differences. but this is about making music, isn't it? choose a plugin that sounds good to you...and has a GUI you can live with. for me, sylenth1 was that plugin; amazing sound, ugly as hell. but...AMAZING SOUND. so i lived with the GUI. besides, electra2 looks pretty good, and most importantly...is logical, well-defined.

anyway, it's the MUSIC that matters...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:10 am

fisherKing wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.
Unless there is another synth which also fits ones sonic needs/interests and which has a flat gui... then there is no reason not to pick that one based upon the gui appearance.
c'mon, all these plugins have their differences. but this is about making music, isn't it? choose a plugin that sounds good to you...and has a GUI you can live with. for me, sylenth1 was that plugin; amazing sound, ugly as hell. but...AMAZING SOUND. so i lived with the GUI. besides, electra2 looks pretty good, and most importantly...is logical, well-defined.

anyway, it's the MUSIC that matters...

People also care about the visual appearance of their guitars even when it has no influence on the sound... in fact, visual appearance is an important consideration in nearly every aspect of life...

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:55 am

@ JRRShop

I just bought Electra 2 from you guys but when I registered the serial number you sent it was for ElectraX. as was the download?!

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:31 pm

pdxindy wrote:
fisherKing wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.
Unless there is another synth which also fits ones sonic needs/interests and which has a flat gui... then there is no reason not to pick that one based upon the gui appearance.
c'mon, all these plugins have their differences. but this is about making music, isn't it? choose a plugin that sounds good to you...and has a GUI you can live with. for me, sylenth1 was that plugin; amazing sound, ugly as hell. but...AMAZING SOUND. so i lived with the GUI. besides, electra2 looks pretty good, and most importantly...is logical, well-defined.

anyway, it's the MUSIC that matters...
People also care about the visual appearance of their guitars even when it has no influence on the sound... in fact, visual appearance is an important consideration in nearly every aspect of life...

big difference. the AUDIENCE sees your guitar, but who's looking at a plugin at a show? the audience sees a glowing apple...

i care about the GUIs, but that didn't stop me from using sylenth1 (to be fair, it was ugly, but LOGICAL). and the GUI in electra2 is NOT ugly, and is logical (and, in fact, an improvement over electraX...)

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:48 pm

I'm one of those who really liked the overall design of the original ElectraX. I found all the eye candy graphics somehow pleasing. The way ElectraX illuminated a dark room was like lying in bed with a cup of hot chocolate on a cold winter's day.

Is there an option to get back the original ElectraX GUI colour scheme?

Perhaps the only issue I experienced in the past was with the slow response of the graphics, which I understand has been improved since.

In anycase, ElectraX (and now Electra) is a superb synth. Some of the textures this thing is capable of are amazing.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:09 pm

fisherKing wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
fisherKing wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:To eschew a particular synthesizer because you detest rendered GUIs, for example, even if it would do just what you want and sound just the way it needs to, is utterly asinine in my opinion.
Unless there is another synth which also fits ones sonic needs/interests and which has a flat gui... then there is no reason not to pick that one based upon the gui appearance.
c'mon, all these plugins have their differences. but this is about making music, isn't it? choose a plugin that sounds good to you...and has a GUI you can live with. for me, sylenth1 was that plugin; amazing sound, ugly as hell. but...AMAZING SOUND. so i lived with the GUI. besides, electra2 looks pretty good, and most importantly...is logical, well-defined.

anyway, it's the MUSIC that matters...
People also care about the visual appearance of their guitars even when it has no influence on the sound... in fact, visual appearance is an important consideration in nearly every aspect of life...
big difference. the AUDIENCE sees your guitar, but who's looking at a plugin at a show? the audience sees a glowing apple...

i care about the GUIs, but that didn't stop me from using sylenth1 (to be fair, it was ugly, but LOGICAL). and the GUI in electra2 is NOT ugly, and is logical (and, in fact, an improvement over electraX...)

Lots of people never perform with their guitar in front of an audience... they still care what it looks like.

Anyway, you are free to decide however you like... DrW was basically saying anyone who cared about the gui appearance is an idiot... I was disagreeing... I also stated in a previous post that I think Electra2 is the best Tone2 gui yet (though I personally would still get rid of the glow-y lights) cause it is a bit more plain which I like.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:25 pm

Haven't i alreeady mentioned that Electra 2 is skinable? It just works differently now, more like with Rayblaster and Nemesis.

Anyway i like te current GUI of Electra 2 and prefer it over that from ElectraX. More clean and easier on the eyes.

Ingo

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:28 pm

"the audience sees a glowing apple"

do you work for mac?

They just look at the person on stage not at the gear, could probably care less if mac or win

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:41 pm

mysticvibes wrote:"the audience sees a glowing apple"

do you work for mac? They just look at the person on stage not at the gear, could probably care less if mac or win

not to be taken seriously. my point was...the audience sees a performer, a laptop, a keyboard company logo...whatever. but they are NOT involved with the GUI of a daw, a plugin...anything.

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