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[Dazed Veins]

Hit me with your rhythm wig.

[thunderkyss]

The only thing I have issue with is saying that Bitwig is a total rip off because new it's ~$30 less than Live 9 Suite used.

Compare used to used then. Absolute best price I've see on bitwig is $300 used, and $350 for suite. 'Normal' going price for bitwig seems to be around $350 and $425 for suite.

No matter which way you frame it, the included extras in Live 9 Suite are worth much more than all of bitwig's offering. You could pick any 4 of many items included in Live Suite and they are items that typically sell for more than bitwig is sold for.

I've explained my reasoning and it would be helpful if you did more than just say that you disagree.

Used pricing isn't set by the manufacturer, it's set by the market. People out there are willing to shell out $300 for Bitwig Studio used. Using your numbers, the depreciation is only $50... that sounds like value. The people buying it sees the value.

Where Ableton Live Suite drops something like $300 on the used market.

Sounds like Ableton Live Suite is overpriced, if your numbers are right. (not saying they are, or are not).

When Studio One hit the market, new I believe it was going for $299, maybe it started at $399, either way, it's comparable to Bitwig's introductory price. Same was Ableton Live Standard, or Cubase.


Your argument is like saying a Toyota Camry is overpriced at $35,000 because you can get a used 7 series BMW for $38,000.

[thunderkyss]

Aw poop, reaper is back to one behind.

Why is it important to you that the herd of sheep you're in is as big as the next biggest herd?

[Dazed Veins]

Yeah but I got Ab lite 9 in a bundle and it doesn't even install. Company's so big I would not even know how to complain and where. And *doesn't install* obviously isn't in their fancy faq (all companies have a fancy faq, because no one can put any legal pressure on them, why?, because your government sucks!).

[thunderkyss]

You can try their support team I had to log into my account to find that link & this little blurb:

Ableton Customer Care

Monday – Friday 4:00am to 4:00pm EST
Tel: 1-646-205-9568
It's 9:06am on a Friday in New York.
Phone support is available.
We offer phone customer service in English and German (German support until 6pm only).

[Dazed Veins]

Thanks. Maybe I'll take a look at it later, I'm not so motivated after..ehm.. I better not tell that here.. but they know! They know! It costed me €254,50 exactly.. for nothing. Dongle jerks. I got so annoyed I had to destruct the package lol and the dongle..

[jumper24]

Little off tropic....
which daw has the best realtime "per clip effects" system? (and with the ability to render and to "unlock"/go back to a online state ?)

- I have cubase - but want a daw for my laptop without dongle + cubase´s per clip effect is very oldschool, and is only a offline process.

[HobbyCore]

The only thing I have issue with is saying that Bitwig is a total rip off because new it's ~$30 less than Live 9 Suite used.

Compare used to used then. Absolute best price I've see on bitwig is $300 used, and $350 for suite. 'Normal' going price for bitwig seems to be around $350 and $425 for suite.

No matter which way you frame it, the included extras in Live 9 Suite are worth much more than all of bitwig's offering. You could pick any 4 of many items included in Live Suite and they are items that typically sell for more than bitwig is sold for.

I've explained my reasoning and it would be helpful if you did more than just say that you disagree.

Used pricing isn't set by the manufacturer, it's set by the market. People out there are willing to shell out $300 for Bitwig Studio used. Using your numbers, the depreciation is only $50... that sounds like value. The people buying it sees the value.

Where Ableton Live Suite drops something like $300 on the used market.

Sounds like Ableton Live Suite is overpriced, if your numbers are right. (not saying they are, or are not).

When Studio One hit the market, new I believe it was going for $299, maybe it started at $399, either way, it's comparable to Bitwig's introductory price. Same was Ableton Live Standard, or Cubase.


Your argument is like saying a Toyota Camry is overpriced at $35,000 because you can get a used 7 series BMW for $38,000.

I agree with you, Camry's are overpriced.

[billcarroll]

Little off tropic....
which daw has the best realtime "per clip effects" system? (and with the ability to render and to "unlock"/go back to a online state ?)

- I have cubase - but want a daw for my laptop without dongle + cubase´s per clip effect is very oldschool, and is only a offline process.

If I understand your question, Studio One.

[HobbyCore]

Little off tropic....
which daw has the best realtime "per clip effects" system? (and with the ability to render and to "unlock"/go back to a online state ?)

- I have cubase - but want a daw for my laptop without dongle + cubase´s per clip effect is very oldschool, and is only a offline process.

If I understand your question, Studio One.

Samplitude is BY FAR superior to Studio One in this regard.

[billcarroll]

Little off tropic....
which daw has the best realtime "per clip effects" system? (and with the ability to render and to "unlock"/go back to a online state ?)

- I have cubase - but want a daw for my laptop without dongle + cubase´s per clip effect is very oldschool, and is only a offline process.

If I understand your question, Studio One.

Samplitude is BY FAR superior to Studio One in this regard.

Really? Do tell.

[LawrenceF]

Lol.

I see someone (but plural) is doing "one-upping voting combat" in the background with S1 and Reaper Seems like every time Reaper catches up some anonymous S1 fan secures another vote somehow to keep it in front.

Fun to watch but Reaper will win in the end. They are legion.

[LawrenceF]

Really? Do tell.

From what I can tell, granted, from a distance, Samp has no equal in that regard.

Not only per-item FX, but sends, and automation of all that, etc. etc, afaik. It was apparently designed around that basic paradigm and I haven't seen any conventional workstation capable of all that at the object or clip level. Of course, I don't personally know what some of those 'tracker' type apps do so I can't say there.

Most of the popular workstation apps I see with real time clip level FX (which don't seem to be that many) can't automate them yet, and don't have sends at the clip level, etc, etc.

But if you can rouse Kraznet I'm sure he can explain it much better being the resident Samp guru.

[HobbyCore]

Little off tropic....
which daw has the best realtime "per clip effects" system? (and with the ability to render and to "unlock"/go back to a online state ?)

- I have cubase - but want a daw for my laptop without dongle + cubase´s per clip effect is very oldschool, and is only a offline process.

If I understand your question, Studio One.

Samplitude is BY FAR superior to Studio One in this regard.

Really? Do tell.

You can start here and go through the series if you want to learn more:

In samplitude, each object is essentially its own track. It can have its own automation, effects, sends, takes, position information, gain AND volume etc...

The event FX in Studio One is neat, but it just doesn't compare. It offers you about 1/10th of the capabilities of the object system in Samplitude.

Edit: WTF, I don't want to embed the video. I even encapsulated it in url tags. I'm being format-raped!

[HobbyCore]

Of course, I don't personally know what some of those 'tracker' type apps do so I can't say there.

You're not missing anything. There's no tracker that has identical or better capabilities compared to the Samplitude object system.

There are modular systems that allow you to do neat things with sequences/midi, but I have not seen anything that allows encapsulation of alternate takes or crossfades for instance.