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Sukram · Post by **Sukram** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:25 pm

the specifications of some small Behringer mixers (f.ex., the ub1622fx-pro eurorack, ¡for 209 euros !) look very good, but even some sellers say "the are noisy, o.k. for some live-work, but not for recording"

is this true ¿?¿?

some alternatives for 2oo-300 euros ¿?¿?¿

(6 to 12 inputs, aux sends, and faders)

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:08 pm

I have the 802 I think.
anywho, it makes no noise at all.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:17 pm

I use a MX602A for recording and a UB1002 for monitoring. They both have about -100db specificatons. Any noise there you will not hear anyway.

flametop · Post by **flametop** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:20 pm

I use a UB1622 for mixing down a bunch of stuff before it gets to my PC. No noise problems here.

Gridlocked · Post by **Gridlocked** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:21 pm

In my opinion and experience, yes. Not the greatest pre-amps either on the mic sockets. But then I am a Mackie user...

Manc Chris · Post by **Manc Chris** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:31 pm

I use a 1604A. No noticeable noise at all. As for the preamps ... fine. I tried a few sub £300 preamps, and none were any better than the onboard pre's on the Behringer.

It's the 'emporer's new clothes' syndrome with music stores:- "Behringer, noisy? Oh yes, for sure ...you seen this Mackie over here?"

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:35 pm

Behringer makes great product and there is nothing of the same quality within the price range. I already have a range of their stuff. I am waiting for the new midi controller series and the studio headphones to hit the market.

I wish they will come up with a percussion pad to compete against the current range of ridiculously overpriced Roland range.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:49 pm

I use the behringer euro rack 602a and it works fine for me even with the acoustic guitar vocal stuff I do.

Count Feedback · Post by **Count Feedback** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:57 pm

I have the 802A and 602A mixers, and they are great for playback. I use one for live performance, but unfortunately I use one for recording too.

I find the mic preamps on both mixers to be quite noisy.

You must be wondering why I have 2, well actually the 602A belongs to my girlfriend.

But I did have a chance to verify whether or not the mixer I usually record through is actually screwed-up or not. When comparing the two mixers, I found both of 'em to be equally noisy - in the mic pre's, that is.

I tried this test with some different cables, and I tried all the different power circuits in my apartment. Noise every time. So it's either the CHEAP pre-amps in the Behringers (my suspicion, they are cheap mixers y'know) or I have ultra-dirty power in my apartment (maybe, maybe not...)

One day I'll get a decent front end for my recording rig, but 'til then (when I get money...

), it's my Behringer and noise gates.

So there's my two Canadian cents...

Rick1114 · Post by **Rick1114** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:44 am

The guy in the store told me the same exact thing about Behrenger. They have a bad reputation probably from their older mixers. I have the new UB502 series and the mic pre is very quiet! I run guitars direct into my soundcard through it. Sound on Sound magazine even confirms this in a recent review of the UB502 mixer. The mic pre-amps are as quiet as your gonna get with any comparable mixer and just as good (maybe better) than Mackie!

Of course I heard Yamaha's are the real deal but I probably would't be able to hear the difference for my purposes.

Lawnmower Of The Damned · Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:15 am

Rick1114 wrote: The guy in the store told me...
Sound on Sound magazine even confirms this in a recent review of the UB502 mixer...

The guy in the store is called a "Salesman", and he is paid commission to sell you things that aren't as good as other things. A Mackie sells itself with it's high quality, but a Behringher needs a little help. That's why store owners give a higher commission on sales of hard to sell items (Like poorly made Behringer stuff) then they do on cool stuff that people want to buy anyway.

And Sound on Sound is a magazine that recieves a large amount of their profits from advertising revinue. How often do you really see these guys rip appart anyone who advertises with them? Music magazines are not to be trusted.

If you want the answer about what is better then tell the salesman to go take a shower while you actually compare the two items first-hand. Oh, and burn those damn music magazines.

I know a guy who worked as a salesman at a music store for quite a while. Funny thing is, he doesn't know a damn thing about guitars. He actually CAN'T IDENTIFY A NECK THROUGH BODY GUITAR by looking at them, and claims that a glue on neck is better! My cats know more about guitars then this guy!

TechnoWeeniePas · Post by **TechnoWeeniePas** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:39 am

thornemaelstrom wrote:
The guy in the store is called a "Salesman", and he is paid commission to sell you things that aren't as good as other things. A Mackie sells itself with it's high quality, but a Behringher needs a little help. That's why store owners give a higher commission on sales of hard to sell items (Like poorly made Behringer stuff) then they do on cool stuff that people want to buy anyway.

Actually its quite different at most stores I have done consulting work for. In most cases the sales people that work for commissions make a persentage of profit made...hence they want to sell the most expensive items with the highest markups...namingly Mackie, Allen & Heath, etc. Behringer (and most but not all other low pricerange mixers) have a very low markup amount. The real items to look out for are the used items. Sales people love those because they have HUGE markups compaired to what the store paid for them durring a sale or trade-in process. Make sure to do your research on used items...not saying dont buy used stuff...just know what your looking at first

Remember this is just from my experience...not saying all others are wrong...just putting in my two cents.

TechnoWeeniePas · Post by **TechnoWeeniePas** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:44 am

I have a Mackie LM3204 and I must say that even being one of the "noisier Mackies" its great...I got mine for a steal used. The Behringers I have used do have alot noisier mic preamps but supposably that has been fixed recently. I just used the ones in my Mackie and all was well. The other thing you may want to consider is that if the mic pres do happen to be too noisy for you that you can always invest in a nice inexpensive but decent seperate mic preamp down the line and use it instead of the built in preamps in the mixer.

Stupid American Pig · Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:04 pm

I have heard that Behringer mixers are reverse engineered mackies anyway, so depending on the parts they use and conditions that they are built in, they could be just as good.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:34 pm

I'm using a Behringer MX602A mixer (older generation), and I haven't noticed any noise. Some of the knobs feel a little inconsistant (varying degrees of stiffness) which would bother me if I were using it live, but in the studio it just sits there, so I don't care.

So sure, it's not built as well as a higher-priced mixer... but I don't care enough about mixers to spend more.

Forever,

Kim.

is behringer noisy ¿?¿?