Reason 8 - Official

[krucial]

What a terrible update. I remember back in the day Propellerhead used to do exciting updates like adding Thor in Reason 4.

REs are a failure from a musician's point of view because all the best virtual instruments like DIVA, Monark, Ivory, Massive and Omnisphere are not available in RE format.

I had a look at the Propellerheads website and it does appear that the top RE's are made by Propellerhead, the Reason user suffers as these plugins would have been included in R8 for free had it not been for the RE introduction a while ago.

The new guitar amp looks lame -- only 4 models. Even Garageband comes with the full version of Logic X's Amp Designer which has over 15 models.

Finally, what about the abysmal sound quality of Subtractor, Thor and all the other synths in Reason. They need to make a plugin that can compete with Monark -- which is the standard right now.

I'm hoping NI release a DAW to crush Reason ASAP.

I stop at REs are failures because Diva etc is not available. There are some serially burnt users over here.

[AstralExistence]

What a terrible update. I remember back in the day Propellerhead used to do exciting updates like adding Thor in Reason 4.

REs are a failure from a musician's point of view because all the best virtual instruments like DIVA, Monark, Ivory, Massive and Omnisphere are not available in RE format.

I had a look at the Propellerheads website and it does appear that the top RE's are made by Propellerhead, the Reason user suffers as these plugins would have been included in R8 for free had it not been for the RE introduction a while ago.

The new guitar amp looks lame -- only 4 models. Even Garageband comes with the full version of Logic X's Amp Designer which has over 15 models.

Finally, what about the abysmal sound quality of Subtractor, Thor and all the other synths in Reason. They need to make a plugin that can compete with Monark -- which is the standard right now.

I'm hoping NI release a DAW to crush Reason ASAP.

you know what most sad. this daw http://www.singlecellsoftware.com/caustic
which does run on windows is made by one man and in terms of development time/idea quality it shits all over reason.

then you have this http://www.mutools.com/mulab-product.html

also made by one man.

and finally even in the freeware world you have http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ which is also a closed studio.

whatever genius propellerhead used to have is seriously lacking in these new updates. you could never tell me its not due to the incredibly bad idea of re. then these a holes only let you test a re once so if you want to try it again your shit out of luck.

then they (afaik force developers to share their profit forcing developers to pay up or shut up and also don't allow developers to set their own prices again afaik) bye bye app prices.

and as a past/ex, long time user what did ernst always say about vsti? "if we implemented vsti we would just be an inferior daw and why would we want that?' so what do they do, they reinvent the wheel, reinvent the technology that makes the wheel work so well. and then they wonder why people would rather use an actual wheel.

then if this master of disaster company haven't f**ked up enough they bang the final nail in the coffin the re format itself which not only is in direct competition of refill developers which make reason so popular and are the key to its success, they create the re format which is in direct competition to the refill format which now puts reason in competition with its own users, its developers, and finally both refill/re developers are in hardcore competion with both vst and au. that is why reason is failing brutally.


its just pure bullshit. good damn riddance. i hope they epically fail. im sure the meeting before re went something like this. "so ernst i have an idea how we can really increase our profits" which leads us to the sinkhole that reason has become.

[c_bomb]

^ You seem to take offense at any attempt the Props make at generating revenue for themselves. Updates take effort, effort likes to be rewarded.

Money is a nice reward.

[AstralExistence]

^ You seem to take offense at any attempt the Props make at generating revenue for themselves. Updates take effort, effort likes to be rewarded.

Money is a nice reward.

what was wrong with the old business model? if the new business model is such a great idea, then why does everybody hate it? sure, you have some reason fanbois that are giddy about re but for me and many others, we used to love waiting for our reason update in the mail or drive excitedly to the local music store and buy the update.

when it arrived/we got it,we knew it would have a bunch of new awesome gear to use. sadly, those days are gone by.

lol i would love to see music stores explain the reason 8 features when asked about the update. "well, it has a new awesome interface and..."
and what? "umm. well try it the new interface alone is worth the cost of admission."

*buys something else.*

[krucial]

^ You seem to take offense at any attempt the Props make at generating revenue for themselves. Updates take effort, effort likes to be rewarded.

Money is a nice reward.

what was wrong with the old business model? if the new business model is such a great idea, then why does everybody hate it? sure, you have some reason fanbois that are giddy about re but for me, i used to love waiting for my reason update in the mail when it arrived, i knew i would have a bunch of new awesome gear to use. sadly, those days are gone by.

Get over it and move on.

REs are great best thing Propellerhead did in a long while. You and a small minority may hate the business model stop saying everybody.

I will see you here when Reason 9 is released.

[AstralExistence]

^ You seem to take offense at any attempt the Props make at generating revenue for themselves. Updates take effort, effort likes to be rewarded.

Money is a nice reward.

what was wrong with the old business model? if the new business model is such a great idea, then why does everybody hate it? sure, you have some reason fanbois that are giddy about re but for me, i used to love waiting for my reason update in the mail when it arrived, i knew i would have a bunch of new awesome gear to use. sadly, those days are gone by.

Get over it and move on.

REs are great best thing Propellerhead did in a long while. You and a small minority may hate the business model stop saying everybody.

I will see you here when Reason 9 is released.

ok. i respect that. l8

[tonkatodd]

^ You seem to take offense at any attempt the Props make at generating revenue for themselves. Updates take effort, effort likes to be rewarded.

Money is a nice reward.

what was wrong with the old business model? if the new business model is such a great idea, then why does everybody hate it? sure, you have some reason fanbois that are giddy about re but for me, i used to love waiting for my reason update in the mail when it arrived, i knew i would have a bunch of new awesome gear to use. sadly, those days are gone by.

I remember when ice creams were 50c. $129 isn't much money as far as I'm concerned. I brought a game for $80 that lasted 5 hours and went drinking the other night and spent $250 and $80 of that was just door entries. I use Reason for many many hours and make money off what I create in it so $129 doesn't concern me and wouldn't mind just paying an annual subscription if they when down that path like Adobe. There are a few companies that will in the near future just charge annual cloud subscription fees.

[V0RT3X]

Reason is starting to become more of an archaic piece of history now than an actual decent studio tool when you want good quality and features.

That being said i still think it's a great platform to learn on, but I would not rely on it when there are better options out now.

Honestly and Im so glad I was broke when they rolled out the REs because I probably would have bought a ton.

[eXode]

REs are a failure from a musician's point of view because all the best virtual instruments like DIVA, Monark, Ivory, Massive and Omnisphere are not available in RE format.

There are already great RE's out there such as Synapse Antidote, Propellerhead Parsec, Blamsoft Viking VK-1, FXpansion TRES, Ochen K Chip64, Sononics Revival, etc. Quite impressing considering how young the format is if you ask me. I also know that there is some exciting stuff being developed as well that will be unique for the platform. I personally prefer this "unique" stuff over ports, however I do think that anything that hits the platform can only be a good thing for the platform to grow...

Personally, all of the stuff you listed are more in the "would be nice to have" category, rather than "can't live without" and the same is probably true for any plugin. However that might be because I personally like to be creative, like a challenge, and the boost of confidence it gives me when I find a solution on my own, even if it requires some fiddling around.

[eXode]

At the end of the day, however, I don't think Reason is for everyone, just like LIVE, Logic, Cubase, ProTools, or any other DAW isn't. There isn't a single universal truth out there for every individual (it would be pretty boring if there was). Use whatever works the best for you and be happy with it.

[DrGonzo]

I don't know. I'm not a Reason guy and I've never felt any wish to start using it. But the last number of updates have felt incredibly uninspired. I can't put my finger on it - but I'm kind of siding with Astral here. Up to a point the new versions were innovative and inspiring - but the last what... three releases have felt like something that was so cool about the Propellerheads have gone missing.

But the rework of the GUI can be a good one - if it's good - and well worth the money. I've just been sitting making instruments for Kontakt this morning and I would GLADLY pay 120 euros if NI would do something about that horrendous GUI. So yeah - I can absolutely understand Reason-fanboys clapping their hands in excitement.

/C

[eXode]

I can't put my finger on it - but I'm kind of siding with Astral here. Up to a point the new versions were innovative and inspiring - but the last what... three releases have felt like something that was so cool about the Propellerheads have gone missing.

While I understand some of that sentiment, and without discussing the actual ugprade pricing, I for one welcome the new "rate" of updates. Before props could take 2-3 years between upgrades, obviously making them seem more "focused" and offer more. Now props have done one upgrade pretty much each year since, what, Reason 5? I think that in itself is a good thing.

Then you can discuss however if these updates are worhy of a full .0 release or if it's only a .5 release. You could also discuss the chosen upgrade price with these seemingly "more frequent, yet comparably less features" upgrade path that propellerhead seem to have taken.

[maschinelf]

I agree with the general consensus here, thats its a pretty disappointing update, and also that their updates have been getting more and more disappointing with time. For the last 2-3 versions, theyve just been playing catchup. Their focus has been on developing it as a complete daw with more daw-like features, so maybe this is a necessary step in the refinement process. I think (or hope) that it won't always remain like this, and once they've caught up with the major aspects, the next updates/upgrades will start to include interesting new devices again.

I'm gonna wait atleast till version 8.5 (or 8.1). They'll probably add a few more features, maybe update the sdk again, and throw in a new RE for free, and then it'll be worth it.

[gamecat666]

after first inventing UNDO, now Drag+Drop!! putting the flow back in workflow!

props seem to exist in the same little isolated bubble that Apple do...

[spaceman]

Reason is starting to become more of an archaic piece of history now than an actual decent studio tool when you want good quality and features.

You will find many a top professional musician disagreeing with that statement.