KVR Audio

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:34 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:OMG!!! Can this thread go back on topic. I doubt very many of us here are actual Propellerhead shareholders so please...

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But Frantz started it...

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:43 pm

Veering off topic is all cool for a moment, but this was becoming a Propellerhead business portfolio analysis thread.

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krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:57 pm

"financial thin ice" LOL.

Man Reason haters are the worst. Keep at it Propellerhead you are doing it right. Sept 30th seems so damn far away. Release is a few day after my birthday. Cant wait, can't wait.

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:08 pm

I'm a long-term Reason lover (but not a fanboi, I really don't care what people other use). I especially like using it on projects where I'm playing an instrument while recording other people -- it's super-solid and easy to use. For me (so far) Reason's whole adds up to more than the sum of its parts. I think I've finished more pieces in Reason than any other DAW/environment.

I had hoped Reason 8 would have substantial new features/gadgets -- something like Live's Session View or Samplitude's object Editor, new console models, scripting, a live looper, flagship super synth, or rhythm programming environment.

I've got all the free REs and would consider some of the CV/sequencer bits, but having the likes of Aalto, Alchemy, NI Komplete 9 Ultimate, and Logic, it's hard to justify the expense of the RE synths/FX, especially when at least through Reason 7 the sequencer is less than stellar.

We now return to our armchair economics lesson.

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:20 pm

Winstontaneous wrote:I've got all the free REs and would consider some of the CV/sequencer bits, but having the likes of Aalto, Alchemy, NI Komplete 9 Ultimate, and Logic, it's hard to justify the expense of the RE synths/FX, especially when at least through Reason 7 the sequencer is less than stellar.

I felt the same way, but if one shits money, it's nice to have the Reason environment with it's newly designed RE stuff to muff around in. If one does not shit money, Reason is now becoming a formidable alternative to the VST world. So one can start a career with Reason alone now. (Not that you couldn't before but it's way better now.)

Winstontaneous wrote:...armchair economics lesson.

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lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:24 pm

The props made a nice video showing how busy they are. In the video they were planning on how to make a video about them looking busy.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:32 pm

lotus2035 wrote:The props made a nice video showing how busy they are. In the video they were planning on how to make a video about them looking busy.

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:04 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:Veering off topic is all cool for a moment, but this was becoming a Propellerhead business portfolio analysis thread.

Sorry, I was on thin topical ice.

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:15 pm

Frantz wrote:Sorry, I was on thin topical ice.

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maarkr · Post by **maarkr** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:51 am

Soooooooooooo... I upgraded to Reason 6.5 but it got too confusing going back and forth from reason to other daws (primarily sonar x3 now). Ver 7 didn't offer enuf to upgrade, and it looks like offering workflow improvements alone won't get me to Ver 8. I may change my mind later, cause $129 ain't too bad. I do agree, tho, that I'd like VST support and new instruments to change my mind, but I don't think it will happen in 8. Odd publicity to not offer some exciting features for the new version.

saturdaysaint · Post by **saturdaysaint** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:44 am

This doesn't look like an update to wow KVR (or even me, at first glance), but let's not forget that an updated browser was a tentpole feature of Live's latest release which was in the oven for 4 years (along with "clip-based automation", be still my heart) and that draggable insert effects didn't make it into Logic until 2013. So I give Props credit for tackling what are obviously difficult and somewhat unglamorous enhancements that were requested by a lot of the more knowing users in the PUF.

I'm not sure if they'll get my $129, though

. But, hey, one of my favorite things about Live is how consistently you can use drag and drop across the interface. Combining that with the Reason's already nice workflow could very well be more interesting than it sounds at first. In any case, it's good to know that you're free to skip as many upgrades as you want. If you only update roughly as often as Live or Logic update, you'll be getting pretty monumental upgrades

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:46 am

Very well said saturdaysaint. I've kind of come to that conclusion after my initial heckling. Reason is evolving nicely albeit not as fast and as cheap as some would like. I think this update will be pretty cool, just as long as it retains it's solid, efficient performance. I'll most likely update.

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Tren · Post by **Tren** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:00 am

Reason 8 is now 3 versions later than Reason 5 and yet it's not the refined advancement Reason 5 was over Reason 2. Yes we've got Audio and the SSL rack, but these feel like something slapped onto the side of the original Reason rack concept rather than something deeply integrated and integral to the workflow. The SSL mixer console should be an optional patch in, rather than something all instruments automatically patch through (and not just that but the cabling on the back of the rack should visibly plug into the SSL; currently these virtual cables are invisible!). Also you still can't create Combinators within Combinators (something which makes the rack look really messy, given the SSL patch through Mix rack unit is essentially a combinator you can't put your own combinators inside of - it's hard to collapse a whole channel easily in the rack!).

We've still got all the original artwork on the rack units, designed for 800x600 resolution. Making the rack horizontally scrolling does not remedy that these look dated, and flattening other GUI elements around them makes them look even more so.

Reason has become too complicated and not smooth enough to work with and these changes to the browser seem to acknowledge that. They should really start over and rebuild from scratch the perfect DAW, fully integrated together mixing and tweaking; rather than these newer Record elements tacked onto the old rack concept but not sticking to the same rules between them. It still just feels like they've pushed different DAW projects together and not got the continuity a true world class program should have and that all their past efforts before Record had.

IMHO.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:17 pm

krucial wrote:Man Reason haters are the worst. Keep at it Propellerhead you are doing it right.

you sound like the ideal Propellerhead customer... paying a fee for features that should have been included in Reason 5 years ago!!!

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:56 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote:
krucial wrote:Man Reason haters are the worst. Keep at it Propellerhead you are doing it right.

you sound like the ideal Propellerhead customer... paying a fee for features that should have been included in Reason 5 years ago!!!

And it matters to you because I am spending your money correct?

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