Yah no kidding I love being super portable so having plugins is honestly the future for me.Robmobius wrote:Yeah man, me as well... It was in the early days. But softies have been getting better and better and a lot less hassle.V0RT3X wrote:I used to think having a VirusTi2 would be the be all end all for me but I changed my mind.
Thanks Rob,Robmobius wrote:@Lotuzia.
That's a very nice soundbank.
Diversion sounds modern to me, that's why I like it. Like Dune and Helix it has it's own character. Plus, it's a breeze to program.
The Oscillators at higher tones can be cutting, but you can adjust the modes. The filters are great and Diversion has an incredible low end (that many soft synths don't have).
If you are looking for a great analog style vst synth, get Diva. If you are looking for a really good synth that sounds great and has tons of potential get Diversion.
Hell, get both!
) I especially like the filters and the envelopes, as snappy and nice in character as they could be. Of course, to my ears. Could be different for others.You have lots of different unison algos and lots of waveforms to choose from so you can always find a well working combination of them. You can add a short spike made with a MSEG to the regular ADSR and make your envelopes as snappy as it gets. You can spice up a filter with post-filter FX (I also was disappointed with Dune 2 filters at some point until I realized that I can use the post-filter FX and assign the FX amount to the same modulation source as the filter's cutoff or resonance to get some juicy drive).chk071 wrote: when demoing Dune 2, i always found things here and there which i thought weren't so good. For example, the oscillators are a bit on the thin side and quickly tend to get noisy with unison stacks. The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy. The resonance character of the filters is not so pleasing.
. Filters of Dune 2 = 
I own a lot of old analog gear and it takes a lot to make me buy a Soft Synth and I must say that Synpase did a great job with developing the new filter while Spire is just standart bread and butter.
Yes, the envelopes of Dune2 are not very snappy, I've got the same answer from Richard Hoffmann (the guy behind Synapse) to handle this with the MSEGs. Maybe it would be a good feature to have a "snap" switch for the envelopes. I've seen this with some other synth (U-He ACE and Bazille?).chk071 wrote:The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy.
| Links Not snappy? You have the amount knobfor the Filter envelope on a low level, turn it on full level and have it snappy dude. Most of the presets have it on low level, at the beginning I wondered myself as the basses didn´t have the "ztschak" in filter envelope. ACE is not more snappy than Dune 2 is.4damind wrote:Yes, the envelopes of Dune2 are not very snappy, I've got the same answer from Richard Hoffmann (the guy behind Synapse) to handle this with the MSEGs. Maybe it would be a good feature to have a "snap" switch for the envelopes. I've seen this with some other synth (U-He ACE and Bazille?).chk071 wrote:The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy.
The results are for me not as expected if you need some snappy sounds (plucks, arps etc).e-modic wrote:Not snappy? You have the amount knobfor the Filter envelope on a low level, turn it on full level and have it snappy dude. Most of the presets have it on low level, at the beginning I wondered myself as the basses didn´t have the "ztschak" in filter envelope. ACE is not more snappy than Dune 2 is.4damind wrote:Yes, the envelopes of Dune2 are not very snappy, I've got the same answer from Richard Hoffmann (the guy behind Synapse) to handle this with the MSEGs. Maybe it would be a good feature to have a "snap" switch for the envelopes. I've seen this with some other synth (U-He ACE and Bazille?).chk071 wrote:The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy.
| LinksI'm sure you're right. On the other hand, IMO, a synth shouldn't give you a hard time making it sound good, and if the filters only sound good when post-processing them, it's bad. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they're sounding bad, i just don't like the character of them. I also tried the different saw waveforms on Dune 2, and they didn't really sound awesome to me too. Spire on the other hand, to stick to that comparison, gave me a out-of-the-box good feeling. I like the filters (maybe even due to their digital character, which never is harsh like z3ta's filters though, rather nice and creamy), i like the unison sound, and i especially like the envelopes. It just made "click", one of the rare occasions where i thought "they got everything right there". I guess that's why Sylenth is so popular too, because of the good out-of-the-box sound. You just don't have to fiddle much.recursive one wrote:You have lots of different unison algos and lots of waveforms to choose from so you can always find a well working combination of them. You can add a short spike made with a MSEG to the regular ADSR and make your envelopes as snappy as it gets. You can spice up a filter with post-filter FX (I also was disappointed with Dune 2 filters at some point until I realized that I can use the post-filter FX and assign the FX amount to the same modulation source as the filter's cutoff or resonance to get some juicy drive).chk071 wrote: when demoing Dune 2, i always found things here and there which i thought weren't so good. For example, the oscillators are a bit on the thin side and quickly tend to get noisy with unison stacks. The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy. The resonance character of the filters is not so pleasing.
Well, this may be seen as a problem with Dune 2 - it offers too much flexibility and not all combinations of things sound good.
I guess there's more to it. When i try to get a plucky sound out of Synthmaster for example, which has freely drawable MSEG's, i just can't for the life of it get a snappy sound out of it, no matter whether i set the envelope logarithmic, linear, there's just something to it which prevents it from being snappy/clicky. It's always too soft. And i had the same feeling in Dune, although not nearly as dramatic as in Synthmaster. It just sounds muddy and odd instead of banging, when trying to get plucky.4damind wrote:The results are for me not as expected if you need some snappy sounds (plucks, arps etc).e-modic wrote:Not snappy? You have the amount knobfor the Filter envelope on a low level, turn it on full level and have it snappy dude. Most of the presets have it on low level, at the beginning I wondered myself as the basses didn´t have the "ztschak" in filter envelope. ACE is not more snappy than Dune 2 is.4damind wrote:Yes, the envelopes of Dune2 are not very snappy, I've got the same answer from Richard Hoffmann (the guy behind Synapse) to handle this with the MSEGs. Maybe it would be a good feature to have a "snap" switch for the envelopes. I've seen this with some other synth (U-He ACE and Bazille?).chk071 wrote:The envelopes are a bit soft, and not snappy.
IMO this has more to do with the parameter mapping from percent to some value and how the curves are mapped. Some synth having for this behavior the feature to set different curves (eg. Spire) or to have a switch for a different envelope behavior ("snap"). But with help of MSEG it works. So it seems it was a design goal to get quick results and for more different needs people can use the MSEGs. Anyway, the most important thing: it works.
I don't think Spire is limited to the trance genre, it can be pretty versatile. We made some presets with it that I can imagine would be very suitable for soundtrack stuff for example. We will include these presets in our upcoming soundbank for Spire.izonin wrote:Upgrade your hardware maybe? Any modern machine should be able to run those synths.
Out of the four, Spire is the most exciting and inspiring. But if you hate trance don't get it
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