Fabfilter Pro-Q 2!

[Compyfox]

At least I didn't blow below the waistline ...

But you did call this a cheap money grab by FabFilter ...

Looks like a normal "we need further income" procedure to me.

... that's not very cool

Pro-Q v1 came out in Nov 2009 (according to KVR), after almost 5 years (Pro-Q2 got released end of Aug 2014), it is a standard (and adjusted) "we need further income" procedure.

Though you can debate (or not) on the varying upgrade prices for already registered uses. Something that got brought up by others already.

It wouldn't be adjusted if they did this in a paid manner (high costs even) half a year to barely a year later with features that could have been right from the start (depending on the tool in question). Which seems to be the new business model for many companies recently (not just in the audio realm, mind you).


That is far from a low blow - unlike saying "using Beringer gear = sh*t musician/engineer".



We need more cat pictures.

[Gamma-UT]

Pro-Q v1 came out in Nov 2009 (according to KVR), after almost 5 years (Pro-Q2 got released end of Aug 2014), it is a standard (and adjusted) "we need further income" procedure.

So, asking for money for an upgrade is a money grab? What about releasing a second or even third plugin that covers very similar territory? Because, if you're going to argue a new version with new features from Fabfilter is a money grab, isn't it the same for DMG's tactics with Equality, Equick and Equilbrium?

Personally, I don't begrudge either the money. But I'm not the one doing the complaining about one particular vendor.

[Tp3]

I think I'll have to "byte the bully" (as they say...)

Very impressive EQ.

[BDeep]

That is far from a low blow - unlike saying "using Beringer gear = sh*t musician/engineer".

No, the irony was pointed out of your remark on hobby/prosumer gear, and you owning Behringer. I didn't exactly see a suggestion that therefor you are a shit engineer. But I didn't go through all of that shit to verify that TBH. As a matter of fact, you seem the one to be the only one to make a connection between the gear used and whether or not that would make someone a "pro" or not.

I don't want this for you to happen, but you kind of have it coming. Your insults to half of KVR and in particular your disdain for "low count" members doesn't help you either.

Get of your high horse and have a beer.

[Compyfox]

So, asking for money for an upgrade is a money grab?

Again - I did not say "money grab", I said "standard procedure". Hello, 5 years time in between the releases.

What about releasing a second or even third plugin that covers very similar territory? Because, if you're going to argue a new version with new features from Fabfilter is a money grab, isn't it the same for DMG's tactics with Equality, Equick and Equilbrium?

EQuick is a pure freeform EQ (with IIRC 32bands, released Sep 2011), which I still consider a good alternative to old ElectriQ (which sadly never saw a continuation). EQuality is a limited EQ (6 band plus additional HPF/LPF, released March 2010). EQuilibrium (released Mar 2013!) is a combination of both, with lifted limitation and a "sandbox environment" so to speak.

While they do cover similar ground (it's an EQ after all), they are still three different products.

I don't see a "money grab" procedure here. Each EQ offers a different workflow for different tasks. If you're happy with the sandbox environment, nobody is forcing you to get the other EQ's. If you got the other EQs before - you can sell them at some point.


I'm surprised that nobody said to U-HE "yo, DIVA is basically an evolution of ZEBRA - it's money grab tactics".
It's so easy to state something like that and rage on about it for days, isn't it?

So I don't understand your swing here.
DMG Audio was not doing any wild money grabbing (different tools!). Neither does Fabfilter (once more - here it's a standard upgrade procedure after 5 years!).

The only criticism where it would make sense to dissect my post once more, would be with other companies where they realized "whoops - we forgot a feature, maintenance update? Nah... let's charge 50 quids for it" or the criticism towards Prodyon's "Liftor" sampleset - where he calculated wrong and then asked for a 20-30bucks upgrade fee with a v.2 update.

And yes, I do know the answer to that paragraph already as well.

Personally, I don't begrudge either the money. But I'm not the one doing the complaining about one particular vendor.

Neither do I - how often do I have to make that clear?

I made a statement that I'd personally, for my own studio, would get DMG Audio since it offers a tad more and longer than Fabfilter - FOR ME!

Suddenly funking hell is breaking loose - especially after a quote I made from a (befriended) engineer. The "take it with a grain of salt" procedure then turned into personal hurt feelings, full on mudgest and then to vent one's spleen for over 5 pages!

Should have expected as much from the internet I guess.

That is far from a low blow - unlike saying "using Beringer gear = sh*t musician/engineer".

No, the irony was pointed out of your remark on hobby/prosumer gear, and you owning Behringer. I didn't exactly see a suggestion that therefor you are a shit engineer.

Let me bring you up to speed:

Took a look at Compyfox's studio because I'm thinking this dude must have some serious gear, and then I saw

But for sure both are way better then the Behringer Eurodesk EQ

I'm dying from laughter here.

I just s**t my pants.... ah dam**t

I think some of us wanted to point out that someone who is dissing great tools for not being "Pro" enough whilst using Behringer speakers and mixers, deserves it if someone else then decides to bring them up on it.

Particularly when there doesn't appear to be any evidence of much output or special music being made either.

Again, I agrree but doesn't seeem to be the case here!

Mastering using Behringer Truth?

Blimey!

Nope, he got hoisted by his own petard this time as his own comment backfired and drew attention to his own very hobbyist range of equipment.

His last two listed "credits" I assume are his latest work for other artists as he has kept his plugin list well up to date (Slate VCC, Klanghelm etc).

So others using SoundCraft or Mackie are "more pro" than me using Behringer's "secret treasures" - I get it. Others rather keep their mouth closed than admitting they like/use that type of gear. Point taken. I also get the stab at "Fabfilter isn't pro compared to DMG Audio" outbursts - but again... I posted a quote.



Actually... the correct quote is:

We're not fussed - it's nowhere near as featured, ... It's a good sign, we keep the pro-market, they keep the hobbyists, everyone's happy.

This is a quote from the DMG Audio support staff - and in retrospect, and looking at a certain user base in here(!!!), I couldn't agree more.



Haters be hating.

But I take it personal if people dig out a 2 year old webpage and insist that I talk out of my rear end just because I'm using obviously non-professional "Behringer Gear", freeware or low budget gear. Heck it's even outruled to use "Slate Digital" gear now?


Those people should maybe dig a bit through the history of the Behringer company and find tools that other companies never created, especially not at that price. If you don't have time for that, a couple of examples:

CT100 Cable Tester (more features than the competition, also offers ports that others consider "obsolete"), Behringer Control and new the X-Touch series, the Truth Series (best mid-budget speakers IMO) and they're also now working with KRK (which are said to be great speakers, but I find them absolute shite), the UltraMatch (best and only real "frequency/bitrate/codebreaker" module in that combination existing on the market, I use it to SRC/Bitrate convert my DAT and MD), Bugera amps (Behringer Off Branch), Behringer DI's (800 or 4000), the HA4700 (bang for your buck), DEQ2496 Ultra-Curve (versatile mix/mastering tool), various selected stomp boxes (among them: TS808 clone, a Boss OD clone, etc), the B2 Microphone (sadly discontinued, great multi-directional, all purpose large membrane mic), etc. The "Euro" series is also still better built than the new Xenyx series. The old ADA8000 (if it doesn't have the 5ms turnoff bug) is also better than the ADA8200 - since the latter can't be pulled into SMUX mode anymore.

But nah... Behringer is crap, I'm using Behringer gear, my page wasn't updated in 2 years, I have to talk out of my rear end.


I'm in the audio realm for almost 20 years now, I've handled successful projects, wrote several white papers, helped further develop certain standards and tools, I am a welcome beta tester, I am sharing my knowledge in this realm where "secrets shall not be shared" or where "shared knowledge" has shortcomings or went wrong routes.

I definitely take those low blows as a clear insult - worse even than this current... Kindergarten drama about hurt feelings because people got it down the "wrong pipe" that not everyone shows unquestioned love towards certain tools.


Once more:
I am using whatever is at my disposal at client rigs. But personally, in my own studio, I'd prefer DMG Audio (if funds are available). Fabfilter catched up now. Everybody wins if the personal ego's wouldn't be so funking high.

YMMV - and obviously it clearly does.

I don't want this for you to happen, but you kind of have it coming. Your insults to half of KVR and in particular your disdain for "low count" members doesn't help you either.

Yeah right.

I will tell you another thing:
GearSlutz wouldn't go as haywire on such a comment - sometimes you even see more balanced criticism. On KVR Audio it's serious business.

So who is insulting who?!

Get of your high horse and have a beer.

I have an excellent view from my donkey, with a full backpack and a lance in my hand.
Thank you.

[bishop666]

Well, i added Compyfox to my "foe list" (-> his messages are hidden by default) years ago.

...and life is good.

[Compyfox]

Judging by others in here, you're definitely missing out the fun then.

And it wasn't years ago - it was a couple of weeks ago since you didn't agree with some of my viewpoints, and also reverted to insults.

[billcarroll]

So, asking for money for an upgrade is a money grab?

Again - I did not say "money grab", I said "standard procedure". Hello, 5 years time in between the releases.

What about releasing a second or even third plugin that covers very similar territory? Because, if you're going to argue a new version with new features from Fabfilter is a money grab, isn't it the same for DMG's tactics with Equality, Equick and Equilbrium?

EQuick is a pure freeform EQ (with IIRC 32bands, released Sep 2011), which I still consider a good alternative to old ElectriQ (which sadly never saw a continuation). EQuality is a limited EQ (6 band plus additional HPF/LPF, released March 2010). EQuilibrium (released Mar 2013!) is a combination of both, with lifted limitation and a "sandbox environment" so to speak.

While they do cover similar ground (it's an EQ after all), they are still three different products.

I don't see a "money grab" procedure here. Each EQ offers a different workflow for different tasks. If you're happy with the sandbox environment, nobody is forcing you to get the other EQ's. If you got the other EQs before - you can sell them at some point.


I'm surprised that nobody said to U-HE "yo, DIVA is basically an evolution of ZEBRA - it's money grab tactics".
It's so easy to state something like that and rage on about it for days, isn't it?

So I don't understand your swing here.
DMG Audio was not doing any wild money grabbing (different tools!). Neither does Fabfilter (once more - here it's a standard upgrade procedure after 5 years!).

The only criticism where it would make sense to dissect my post once more, would be with other companies where they realized "whoops - we forgot a feature, maintenance update? Nah... let's charge 50 quids for it" or the criticism towards Prodyon's "Liftor" sampleset - where he calculated wrong and then asked for a 20-30bucks upgrade fee with a v.2 update.

And yes, I do know the answer to that paragraph already as well.

Personally, I don't begrudge either the money. But I'm not the one doing the complaining about one particular vendor.

Neither do I - how often do I have to make that clear?

I made a statement that I'd personally, for my own studio, would get DMG Audio since it offers a tad more and longer than Fabfilter - FOR ME!

Suddenly funking hell is breaking loose - especially after a quote I made from a (befriended) engineer. The "take it with a grain of salt" procedure then turned into personal hurt feelings, full on mudgest and then to vent one's spleen for over 5 pages!

Should have expected as much from the internet I guess.

That is far from a low blow - unlike saying "using Beringer gear = sh*t musician/engineer".

No, the irony was pointed out of your remark on hobby/prosumer gear, and you owning Behringer. I didn't exactly see a suggestion that therefor you are a shit engineer.

Let me bring you up to speed:

Took a look at Compyfox's studio because I'm thinking this dude must have some serious gear, and then I saw

But for sure both are way better then the Behringer Eurodesk EQ

I'm dying from laughter here.

I just s**t my pants.... ah dam**t

I think some of us wanted to point out that someone who is dissing great tools for not being "Pro" enough whilst using Behringer speakers and mixers, deserves it if someone else then decides to bring them up on it.

Particularly when there doesn't appear to be any evidence of much output or special music being made either.

Again, I agrree but doesn't seeem to be the case here!

Mastering using Behringer Truth?

Blimey!

Nope, he got hoisted by his own petard this time as his own comment backfired and drew attention to his own very hobbyist range of equipment.

His last two listed "credits" I assume are his latest work for other artists as he has kept his plugin list well up to date (Slate VCC, Klanghelm etc).

So others using SoundCraft or Mackie are "more pro" than me using Behringer's "secret treasures" - I get it. Others rather keep their mouth closed than admitting they like/use that type of gear. Point taken. I also get the stab at "Fabfilter isn't pro compared to DMG Audio" outbursts - but again... I posted a quote.



Actually... the correct quote is:

We're not fussed - it's nowhere near as featured, ... It's a good sign, we keep the pro-market, they keep the hobbyists, everyone's happy.

This is a quote from the DMG Audio support staff - and in retrospect, and looking at a certain user base in here(!!!), I couldn't agree more.



Haters be hating.

But I take it personal if people dig out a 2 year old webpage and insist that I talk out of my rear end just because I'm using obviously non-professional "Behringer Gear", freeware or low budget gear. Heck it's even outruled to use "Slate Digital" gear now?


Those people should maybe dig a bit through the history of the Behringer company and find tools that other companies never created, especially not at that price. If you don't have time for that, a couple of examples:

CT100 Cable Tester (more features than the competition, also offers ports that others consider "obsolete"), Behringer Control and new the X-Touch series, the Truth Series (best mid-budget speakers IMO) and they're also now working with KRK (which are said to be great speakers, but I find them absolute shite), the UltraMatch (best and only real "frequency/bitrate/codebreaker" module in that combination existing on the market, I use it to SRC/Bitrate convert my DAT and MD), Bugera amps (Behringer Off Branch), Behringer DI's (800 or 4000), the HA4700 (bang for your buck), DEQ2496 Ultra-Curve (versatile mix/mastering tool), various selected stomp boxes (among them: TS808 clone, a Boss OD clone, etc), the B2 Microphone (sadly discontinued, great multi-directional, all purpose large membrane mic), etc. The "Euro" series is also still better built than the new Xenyx series. The old ADA8000 (if it doesn't have the 5ms turnoff bug) is also better than the ADA8200 - since the latter can't be pulled into SMUX mode anymore.

But nah... Behringer is crap, I'm using Behringer gear, my page wasn't updated in 2 years, I have to talk out of my rear end.


I'm in the audio realm for almost 20 years now, I've handled successful projects, wrote several white papers, helped further develop certain standards and tools, I am a welcome beta tester, I am sharing my knowledge in this realm where "secrets shall not be shared" or where "shared knowledge" has shortcomings or went wrong routes.

I definitely take those low blows as a clear insult - worse even than this current... Kindergarten drama about hurt feelings because people got it down the "wrong pipe" that not everyone shows unquestioned love towards certain tools.


Once more:
I am using whatever is at my disposal at client rigs. But personally, in my own studio, I'd prefer DMG Audio (if funds are available). Fabfilter catched up now. Everybody wins if the personal ego's wouldn't be so funking high.

YMMV - and obviously it clearly does.

I don't want this for you to happen, but you kind of have it coming. Your insults to half of KVR and in particular your disdain for "low count" members doesn't help you either.

Yeah right.

I will tell you another thing:
GearSlutz wouldn't go as haywire on such a comment - sometimes you even see more balanced criticism. On KVR Audio it's serious business.

So who is insulting who?!

Get of your high horse and have a beer.

I have an excellent view from my donkey, with a full backpack and a lance in my hand.
Thank you.

Is there a cliff notes version of this novelette?

Pros worldwide use FabFilter Pro-Q and now Pro-Q 2 on a daily basis. Pros use DMG Audio products on a daily basis too. Both companies make amazing products.

There really is no need to insult KVR users and FabFilter. You can do it, but you reap what you sow.

[Sampleconstruct]

Let's start a new thread on v2, but it'll be polluted as quickly as this one, so just continue with Mr. Behringer vs the hobby crowd.

[highkoo]

FFS

[Compyfox]

FFS

Can't sum it up any better.

[Endor-8o8]

Let's start a new thread on v2, but it'll be polluted as quickly as this one, so just continue with Mr. Behringer vs the hobby crowd.

I'm afraid so...

[Compyfox]

There really is no need to insult KVR users and FabFilter. You can do it, but you reap what you sow.

Which is why I now called the so called "teachers".

I see it this way:
- I commented on a plugin
- People took it down the wrong pipe
- Then started a mud fest, and reverted down to "friendly joking" (don't think so)
- I commented on my reasons, stated once more what I actually wrote
- The mudfest went out of hand, turned into a full on pissing and e-penix contest, not to mention downright insulting (the "Behringer" thing).

Result: I contacted the moderators.


The last 7-9 pages weren't necessary at all.
So yes, you indeed reap what you sow.


Though I'm fairly sure that the "bad berries" will actually survive once again.

[highkoo]

FFS

Can't sum it up any better.

Well, at this point youve managed to piss off various groups for various reasons, all in one thread, to the point that everyone is so convinced of your jackassery that they are not posting, so Id say its pretty much buttoned up with a bow on...

Fwiw, I think many of us do respect your "20 years in the audio realm", and do not hold any gear list for or against you. And I dont think many people really take offense to the 'hobbyist v. pro' stance either, but aside from that, your persistence in this thread amounts to FUD, imo.

[4damind]

The interesting question.. are there some DMG Audio users interested to switch to Pro Q 2?