KvR Dream team

[multree]

I am a guitarist not keyboard player.

guitarist? certainly, but you're a great, refined pianoroll player, too.

yup he certainly is

[multree]

well I thought you wanted to know KvR Supergroups in order to know what to download.... but anyway here's my NotKvRSupergroup.... which would be the opening act for the KvR Supergroup

Vocals: Darius Rucker & Glen Phillips
Guitar: John Mayer, Stone Gossard & Todd Nichols
Drums: Steven Chopek
Bass: Matt Malley
Songwriting: David Bryson, Adam Duritz, John Mayer & Glen Phillips
Piano: Adam Duritz
Organ: Charles Gillingham

I have never heard of a single one of your band members! Some more information please. I'm all ears so to speak.

okay then:

Darius Rucker - is the lead singer from Hootie & the Blowfish (I know most of you don't like 'em but I do)

Glen Phillips - was the lead singer and guitarist of Toad the Wet Sprocket and has recently recorded an album with his new band "Mutual Admiration Society"

John Mayer - is a kick ass Jazz/Pop guitarist - don't judge him by "your body is a wonderland" this guy is really good

Stone Gossard - guitarplayer with Pearl Jam

Todd Nichols - again Toad the Wet Sprocket

Steven Chopek - played drums on John Mayers last tour and he kicks ass...

Matt Malley, David Bryson, Adam Duritz & Charles Gillingham - members of one of my favourite bands Counting Crows - "August and everything after" has got to be my most deeply loved album for all times

[Karbon L. Forms]

Cool. You said "Stone Gossard - guitarplayer with Pearl Jam"

Was it him that did...

dadoodloo doooo
dadoodloo dadoodloo dadoodl
dadoodloo doooo
dadoodloo dadoodloodl
DOO DOO DAA!

Ah yes sorry I remember now... "Alive" was it called?

As in "Wayhey woah I'm still alive wayhey woah Im still alive..."

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[Markleford]

Way back in the beginning of the thread...

Love that boingy bass!

Yeah, that's me! It's double-tracked fretless, panned discreet R/L. Stereo boing!

Great song. Fun collaboration.

- m

[Har]

Mystahr just FYI I am a guitarist not keyboard player.

That's OK! Technically my actual trained background is on keyboards, but people keep putting me onto the guitar list...so it'll balance out!

My thanks to those who included me on their lists!

[Karbon L. Forms]

Way back in the beginning of the thread...

Love that boingy bass!

Yeah, that's me! It's double-tracked fretless, panned discreet R/L. Stereo boing!

Great song. Fun collaboration.

- m

Whats the script with fretless? Surely every time you finger a note it's gonna be off a bit? Does your brain tell you where to put your finger? Do you get fretless guitars? If you did you would not have to tune the bastard if you were playing bar chords. Just use scewed chord fingerings!

[mystahr]

I am a guitarist not keyboard player.

guitarist? certainly, but you're a great, refined pianoroll player, too.

My sentiments exactly; hence the keys

[Har]

Whats the script with fretless? Surely every time you finger a note it's gonna be off a bit? Does your brain tell you where to put your finger? Do you get fretless guitars? If you did you would not have to tune the bastard if you were playing bar chords. Just use scewed chord fingerings!

Well, after a while you get to the point where you start to automatically get used to it when you play the note: if it's out, your fingers just kinda slide into where they should be without thinking about it.

Keep in mind that violin players, cello players and other orchestral string players (which are all fretless instruments) have been doing it forever and hitting the right notes...it's just a matter of training long enough until you learn how to get it right and it becomes a natural thing.

[Sepheritoh]

Thanks for Wopelka & Mystahr for including me in their lists

[Karbon L. Forms]

Whats the script with fretless? Surely every time you finger a note it's gonna be off a bit? Does your brain tell you where to put your finger? Do you get fretless guitars? If you did you would not have to tune the bastard if you were playing bar chords. Just use scewed chord fingerings!

Well, after a while you get to the point where you start to automatically get used to it when you play the note: if it's out, your fingers just kinda slide into where they should be without thinking about it.

Keep in mind that violin players, cello players and other orchestral string players (which are all fretless instruments) have been doing it forever and hitting the right notes...it's just a matter of training long enough until you learn how to get it right and it becomes a natural thing.

Respect!

I have a hard enough job with frets! With no frets I'd just slide about the shop. Hmmm brains kicking in... I do a lot of wild bending though. Same thing? Stop when it sounds OK? So answer me this; If you don't use open string notes, do you have to bother tuning?

[jens]

Whats the script with fretless? Surely every time you finger a note it's gonna be off a bit? Does your brain tell you where to put your finger? Do you get fretless guitars? If you did you would not have to tune the bastard if you were playing bar chords. Just use scewed chord fingerings!

Well, after a while you get to the point where you start to automatically get used to it when you play the note: if it's out, your fingers just kinda slide into where they should be without thinking about it.

Keep in mind that violin players, cello players and other orchestral string players (which are all fretless instruments) have been doing it forever and hitting the right notes...it's just a matter of training long enough until you learn how to get it right and it becomes a natural thing.

Respect!

I have a hard enough job with frets! With no frets I'd just slide about the shop. Hmmm brains kicking in... I do a lot of wild bending though. Same thing? Stop when it sounds OK? So answer me this; If you don't use open string notes, do you have to bother tuning?

actually yes, you need some information where to start - you need to know where the note you want to play approximately is, or all your slinding will be out of time because your fingers (and your ears of course) have to look for too long for the right note (or maybe you hit it too early)

edit: thanks to Mark and Wopelka for mentioning me

[Sascha Franck]

I have a hard enough job with frets! With no frets I'd just slide about the shop. Hmmm brains kicking in... I do a lot of wild bending though. Same thing? Stop when it sounds OK? So answer me this; If you don't use open string notes, do you have to bother tuning?

Actually, bending is indeed sorta the same deal.
You may know what's called "reverse bend" - in that case you prebend the note, then pick it and release the bend. I almost allways am in tune with the prebent note, without listening to it.

I have recently asked some Cello player to play me some random notes without sliding around... I mean, I asked him to put his fingers on the fretboard at the very moment without even moving around his hand (let alone sliding into the note at all). It was amazing HOW exact he found the correct pitches almost blindfolded.
Seems our fingers and hands are able to develop a rather good memory.

Along the same lines (well, it's a tad different but related): Close your eyes and touch the tip of your nose with any finger. I'm sure you'll hit it right on the spot, no matter which finger you'll be using.
So, in case your instrument is becoming "part of your body" (wow, esoteric description), the very same thing will happen.

[Glooper]

Along the same lines (well, it's a tad different but related): Close your eyes and touch the tip of your nose with any finger. I'm sure you'll hit it right on the spot, no matter which finger you'll be using.
So, in case your instrument is becoming "part of your body" (wow, esoteric description), the very same thing will happen.

... Ouch... I just poked myself in the eye...

Ben

[Karbon L. Forms]

I have a hard enough job with frets! With no frets I'd just slide about the shop. Hmmm brains kicking in... I do a lot of wild bending though. Same thing? Stop when it sounds OK? So answer me this; If you don't use open string notes, do you have to bother tuning?

Actually, bending is indeed sorta the same deal.
You may know what's called "reverse bend" - in that case you prebend the note, then pick it and release the bend. I almost allways am in tune with the prebent note, without listening to it.

I have recently asked some Cello player to play me some random notes without sliding around... I mean, I asked him to put his fingers on the fretboard at the very moment without even moving around his hand (let alone sliding into the note at all). It was amazing HOW exact he found the correct pitches almost blindfolded.
Seems our fingers and hands are able to develop a rather good memory.

Along the same lines (well, it's a tad different but related): Close your eyes and touch the tip of your nose with any finger. I'm sure you'll hit it right on the spot, no matter which finger you'll be using.
So, in case your instrument is becoming "part of your body" (wow, esoteric description), the very same thing will happen.

Yeah. My hand knows shit that I don't. It has more knowledge of blues and jazz than I do. I can describe a few scales but me hand knows heaps.

[Markleford]

Surely every time you finger a note it's gonna be off a bit?

Microtonally, for sure. That's one reason for my double-tracking trick: each time I play the same unison line it's going to be off just a tiny bit. Added to the differences in how hard I pluck the sting, it creates an insanely rich chorusing sound.

Does your brain tell you where to put your finger?

Pretty much. And there are markings on the side of the bass neck at a few places, so you can eyeball where the imaginary "frets" would be between them.

'Course, I grew up playing trombone, so I'm used to that sorta thing.

Do you get fretless guitars? If you did you would not have to tune the bastard if you were playing bar chords. Just use scewed chord fingerings!

I did de-fret one of my old guitars and used one of Adrian Belew's fretless tunings: EAEABE, I think (q.v. "Man With an Open Heart"). Bar chords are definitely the easiest for it, but he used another tuning as well (B up to C, I think) for "Heartbeat" that had some pretty complex chords. My fingers aren't that "disciplined", though!

- m