Eurorack modular concept built into VST world

[Buka]

I was just wondering has anything like this come to mind to someone else..

Its just an idea where vst synths could be build so u can install someone else's components inside..

For example u have a Zebra synth with a Waldorf Wave 3.V filter! Wouldn't this be nice?

So every developer could sell its components/modules and people could build their own synths this way and everybody would start sounding different and not the same like now

Its just a vision i have, never mind if u dont like it

Cheers!

[Numanoid]

FL Studio got Minihost Modular

[whyterabbyt]

I was just wondering has anything like this come to mind to someone else..

frequently.

eg http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7&t=390271

and of course, Reason provides an implementation of this sort of thing.

[bluedad]

Don't forget the vision of what wAs Energy xt v1

[trimph1]

Don't forget the vision of what wAs Energy xt v1

This.

And something called Darkwave(?)

[Numanoid]

Inbuilt effects in Alchemy can be purchased separatly (CamelPhat and CamelSpace), so those can be used in a modular DAW enviroment.

[HanafiH]

I find Plogue Bidule does a very good job of Euroracking VSTs/VSTis. Thing is nobody makes Oscillator only VSTis, a few do make filters, a lot make FXs. So getting the true Eurorackability is relatively distant yet.

I was watching a video of a fairly famous soundtrack composer showing off his studio, and had an acre of Eurorack all twinkling and shiny. He got some patch cables and started jabbing them in and twiddling knobs and a fart came out. A few more cables a few more twiddles and a fart came out.

After a time it became horribly apparent that he didn’t really understand what any of the really expensive stuff actually did and all that was ever going to come out of all this money was another fart. ‘Hey that’s really interesting!’ he said and it really wasn’t. It was fart and oh how one wished Simon Cowell would burst into the room and slap him around a bit.

You can scour Youtube for modular and from the cheapest Doepfer to the priciest Buchla, all you ever get is fart and ‘hey that’s really interesting’. And I still haven’t found what I’m looking for.

[bharris22]

FL Studio got Minihost Modular

I love Minihost. A free VST version (beta, but still good) is here: http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 9&t=123031. According to Image Line, this will remain free.

[mcnelson]

Looks like Tracktions racks...

[fmr]

This is also the concept of MUX: http://www.mutools.com/mux-product.html

See a video about it here:

[svrc]

VSTForx ?

[Buka]

All nice concepts but i was thinking something along the lines how can we expand existing synths with modules from other developers so we can build montster Frankenstein synths, for example u can have Waldorf Wave 3.V expanded with Zebra Filters and Serum oscilators wouldnt this be great stuff?!

cheers!

[whyterabbyt]

All nice concepts but i was thinking something along the lines how can we expand existing synths with modules from other developers so we can build montster Frankenstein synths, for example u can have Waldorf Wave 3.V expanded with Zebra Filters and Serum oscilators wouldnt this be great stuff?!

It would indeed be nice, but going by previous threads, you'll actually get a fair amount of resistance to the idea. The last time round the arguments against were as follows.

• 1 Its not possible(*)
  2 You can already do enough of it(**) in existing hosts
  3 I dont understand it
  4 I dont see why its needed
  5 it hasnt happened by now, so isnt needed
  6 if you want it you should do the work yourself

(* for varying values of 'possible)
(** for varying values of 'it')

The main actual problem though is standards. There isnt one, and there isnt presently anyone who'd invest in creating one, let alone anyone with 'clout'; And whilst I think it might actually be achieveable in terms of extending the VST standard, something more task-specific would probably be preferable. The framework would have to be significantly more robust than VST, IMO.

The second main actual problem is whether developers would want to. Licensing would be problematic, their 'DLC' market (ie presets) would be irrelevant, and the larger, 'name' developers wouldnt necessarily want to invest in undermining their full-product sales with cheaper piecemeal 'bits'.

[Numanoid]

All nice concepts but i was thinking something along the lines how can we expand existing synths with modules from other developers so we can build montster Frankenstein synths, for example u can have Waldorf Wave 3.V expanded with Zebra Filters and Serum oscilators wouldnt this be great stuff?!

Some components are available for example CamelPhat and CamelSpace as mentioned above.

You can get several of KarmaFX modules for free, like delay, reverb and filter

In Guitar Rig you get access to the Pro52 filter

Reaktor also have all the building blocks to make a monster synth

[Breeze]

This is something I thought of too. But it would require some common framework and a willingness from the devs to expose the "wiring" of different aspects of their synths and plugins to allow for interconnection to and from separate sections, or even supply these different sections as independent modules. You'd need a common standard to transmit audio, sync and control signals from one module to another at a deeper level than CC control: it would be impossible to do without VST itself spelling out a more intimate interconnection reference for everyone to follow.

But as others have discussed, you can do some of this now using Bidule, MUX, and other hosts although it isn't very efficient. But for experiments and special uses, it can be very useful.