Bazille 1.0

[BBFG#]

Sorry, I didn't see you were specifically asking about i5/i7. I have Xeon.

[elassi]

It has its own lovely character,
it invites to experiment,
it adds to my arsenal (read: not being redundant),
it asks for small money,
it is fun,

...it is mine.

[Urs]

Some presets use the voice stacking feature. Then you hold one note and you hear, say, 5 voices at once. That costs some CPU there.

Then also the spring reverb and the distortion may add bit of significant CPU. The effort that went into the reverb is insane, but I think it had to be done.

Lastly... UI. A big UI with floating windows (GP skin) may take a toll on CPU.

A single voice in Bazille always uses the same amount of CPU, regardless of how complex it's patched. The only difference ever is the HQ switch. Between Diva and Bazille I think i measured factor 3. Bazille uses about a third of Diva's worst case divine mode CPU hunger.

[xh3rv]

I've had experience on both CPUs - multicore makes absolutely everything playable on 4 cores / i7. Core2duo won't handle high voice counts. What voices are there sound just as nice I guess

[izonin]

Between Diva and Bazille I think i measured factor 3. Bazille uses about a third of Diva's worst case divine mode CPU hunger.

Is that between Diva in divine and Bazille in HQ?

[Urs]

Between Diva and Bazille I think i measured factor 3. Bazille uses about a third of Diva's worst case divine mode CPU hunger.

Is that between Diva in divine and Bazille in HQ?

Yep, best setting each.

[audiosabre]

Honestly, Bazille is way over my head. I've made some good patches with the beta. Other times it feels like I'm making torture noises

Do you plan to (eventually) educate us on how to get the best out of Bazille? Maybe I'd feel better about purchasing if you had education in mind (of course, I wouldn't hold you to ransom over it).

Zebra felt intimidating at first, but now I'm creating my own unique patches with ease. I just feel Bazille is way more 'out there' with it's synthesis methods.

The fractal stuff is interesting, but I've only read about it in synthesis books designed for PhD students (again, punching above my weight, lol).

Sorry, I'm a bit slow on the uptake. Took me months to really start patching in ACE. FM synthesis still confuses me a little. But I'm eager to learn and experiment.

I wouldn't want to miss out on the intro deal, out of my own stupidity. It's not that Bazille doesn't click with me, it's just that I'm not very consistent with it (right now)

Thanks.

[Kaboom75]

Honestly, Bazille is way over my head. I've made some good patches with the beta. Other times it feels like I'm making torture noises

Do you plan to (eventually) educate us on how to get the best out of Bazille? Maybe I'd feel better about purchasing if you had education in mind (of course, I wouldn't hold you to ransom over it).

Zebra felt intimidating at first, but now I'm creating my own unique patches with ease. I just feel Bazille is way more 'out there' with it's synthesis methods.

The fractal stuff is interesting, but I've only read about it in synthesis books designed for PhD students (again, punching above my weight, lol).

Sorry, I'm a bit slow on the uptake. Took me months to really start patching in ACE. FM synthesis still confuses me a little. But I'm eager to learn and experiment.

I wouldn't want to miss out on the intro deal, out of my own stupidity. It's not that Bazille doesn't click with me, it's just that I'm not very consistent with it (right now)

Thanks.

In the manual there are quick tutorials on how to make an FM and PD patch. I went from making drill noises to really nice sounds after doing those.

[aMUSEd]

"Doesn't care about optimizing"

Sorry but this is so untrue and unfair - I don't know any plugins that have so much done on optimisation, where you have multiple quality settings to cater for a range of conditions, and the most effective load balancing across multiple cpu's per instance I have come across in a plugin.

[BBFG#]

In the manual there are quick tutorials on how to make an FM and PD patch. I went from making drill noises to really nice sounds after doing those.

Thanks for the reminder, I need to open it up...

One of the ways we use to 'test user friendliness' was to dive in purposely without the manual and see what kind of instant gratification we could get out of it first. And then read the manual to get more.

I have experimented enough to get sound out of it, albeit very basic and too close to EDM noise for my tastes. So now that I've made the jumped into ownership, it's time to RTM.

[pdxindy]

Hey, do the presets contain patches that would be useful for New Age or Ambient music? I'm just in the beginning stages of composing my next New Age album and always could use some inspirational sounds. I'm going to buy it anyway, but just want to know if I should get it now, or wait until next month.

I think so... but it really depends on each persons musical taste. I find Bazille amazing for ambient because it lends itself to sounds that have this lovely organic quality. I think it is in part the unique (unique compared to most software synths) set of modulators in Bazille which seem to 'easily' create sounds that are more natural sounding. By natural I mean characteristic of real world sounds so one could think it was some strange recording.

Also the non-linear responses of the Osc's and Filters means you get all sorts of unexpected results as you modulate something. Start pushing Bazille with various sorts of feedbacks and the results are organic and fluid and to my ear beautiful and musically useful.

I find Bazille the most interesting synth I have ever used.

[pdxindy]

Picked this up blind as a 'new job' treat today. So, so happy I did. One of my favourite sounds (although one that hasn't made it into a track in years) is pure filter self-oscillation, with the tiniest touch of noise set to modulate the cutoff frequency in addition to keytracking. It's nearly always the first thing I try on synths that can do it. I've never heard it sound as organic and alive as it does in Bazille. Wonderful!

+1 That is Bazille! Organic and Alive

best digital filter ever!! (imo)

[Numanoid]

Bazille puts Dig It All back in digital

[audiosabre]

In the manual there are quick tutorials on how to make an FM and PD patch. I went from making drill noises to really nice sounds after doing those.

Thanks, reading it right now!

I really liked Howard's tutorials for Zebra. I know some people expect tutorials to be these ultra-produced HD videos that hand-holds, and talks to them in a pleasant voice. Yet I learned so much from those tutorials, not just about Zebra, but synthesis in general.

I'm hoping for properly useful information like that, but for Bazille. In other words, I don't want to know how to make patch X, I want to understand the underlying principles, how and why things work.

I don't expect that stuff for free either. I'd pay for education, especially from such knowledgable people. Kudos to u-he for making those freely available.

[basslinemaster]

As a matter of fact listening to some Bazille presets is rather depressing

That's just how I felt too. Since there are so many really bad presets there, I was quite amazed at how bad they were.