Reason 8 - Official

[eXode]

Reaper have what, two guys as programmers, and they release more updates than Propellerhead, who have 40 staff? Wow.

It AMAZES me when people (fanboys) like to make excuses for lack of developments and state 'oh but it takes so much coding/programming'. Uh, what? Propellerhead are A SOFTWARE COMPANY. That's their primary business. What else do we expect them to do? That would be like having sympathy for the local bakery..'poor guy, he has to bake so many loaves of bread each day'.

Maybe Props only have two programmers as well. Plus one receptionist, three massage therapists for the CEO, two accountants for the financial forecasting, six staffing the propaganda department, a limousine driver, a pilot for the Lear jet and and 24 people in the Marketing department.

On the other hand, most of the updates on Reaper mostly looks like bugfixes/hotfixes to me. Propellerheads always see to that their major releases are very stable/complete from the get go.

It's not like props are sitting on their arses doing nothing (fwiw, besides developing Reason and RE's they also develop the actual RE platform, SDK etc), it's just that they've done stuff that you (apparently) don't like. And somehow that also magically gives you the right to accuse other users of being fanboys, because they are of a different opinion. I'm not in love with the features offered in this update either but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the work that must have gone into this release, or see that other users are of a different opinon.

At the end of the day, If I think that an update is not worth my money, I can choose to skip one, or even two upgrades and get them all at the same price later. No one is forcing me to upgrade.

[BMoore]

And Reaper has never inspired me (the opposite actually), improved my workflow, or made me want to fire it up just to dabble around or have fun, regardless of what VST's I have.
And I know I'm not alone here.

[stroker_ace]

Reaper have what, two guys as programmers, and they release more updates than Propellerhead, who have 40 staff? Wow.

It AMAZES me when people (fanboys) like to make excuses for lack of developments and state 'oh but it takes so much coding/programming'. Uh, what? Propellerhead are A SOFTWARE COMPANY. That's their primary business. What else do we expect them to do? That would be like having sympathy for the local bakery..'poor guy, he has to bake so many loaves of bread each day'.

Maybe Props only have two programmers as well. Plus one receptionist, three massage therapists for the CEO, two accountants for the financial forecasting, six staffing the propaganda department, a limousine driver, a pilot for the Lear jet and and 24 people in the Marketing department.

You might be able to chalk some of that up to the good ol' Scandinavian work ethic......or lack thereof.

From what I've seen, the Scandinavian way of doing business involves having lots of meetings and discussions, and meetings and discussions about meetings and discussions, and they need to triple-check that they're not making any mistakes, and they need a month off in the summer, and their extended Christmas holiday, and a few other holiday breaks scattered throughout the year.........

On top of all of that, there's an extremely generous maternity/paternity leave in place.

It's a very unique way of working, to say the least.

[eXode]

You might be able to chalk some of that up to the good ol' Scandinavian work ethic......or lack thereof.

From what I've seen, the Scandinavian way of doing business involves having lots of meetings and discussions, and meetings and discussions about meetings and discussions, and they need to triple-check that they're not making any mistakes, and they need a month off in the summer, and their extended Christmas holiday, and a few other holiday breaks scattered throughout the year.........

On top of all of that, there's an extremely generous maternity/paternity leave in place.

It's a very unique way of working, to say the least.

You could almost fool me that you're jelous? Why the f would you otherwise even comment on a entire country's work ethics, or generous parental laws, in a thread about music software? If you're point is to come across like a total douche bag you certainly succeeded! Or can you go even deeper in your well of bitterness? Wow, just wow!

[stroker_ace]

You might be able to chalk some of that up to the good ol' Scandinavian work ethic......or lack thereof.

From what I've seen, the Scandinavian way of doing business involves having lots of meetings and discussions, and meetings and discussions about meetings and discussions, and they need to triple-check that they're not making any mistakes, and they need a month off in the summer, and their extended Christmas holiday, and a few other holiday breaks scattered throughout the year.........

On top of all of that, there's an extremely generous maternity/paternity leave in place.

It's a very unique way of working, to say the least.

You could almost fool me that you're jelous? Why the f would you otherwise even comment on a entire country's work ethics, or generous parental laws, in a thread about music software?

I had you down as a smart, even-keeled cookie, exode. I couldn't have been more wrong. Did you actually read the post I was responding to?

KS was wondering about the Props' lack of developments, and I simply offered up the most likely reason for it.

It doesn't make me "a total douche bag" if you're unaware of the glaring differences between working conditions in Scandinavia and (most of) the rest of the world; it makes you ignorant.

If you're point is to come across like a total douche bag you certainly succeeded! Or can you go even deeper in your well of bitterness? Wow, just wow!

I'm not bitter at all, sweetie; I'm actually in this "lazy man's paradise" system.

[trimph1]

This is funny.....

Because as someone said, it makes the rest of the program look outdated...and it does.

It'd be nice if the rest of the Reason community got their heads out of their ass's and saw how little has been updated since Reason 4 as opposed to all the BS they've been fed since the announcement of "Rack Extensions"

Such a joke.

It does, doesn't it.

The only thing is, can you picture a half baked attempt at vst support from these guys?

[trimph1]

Eleven seems, to me, to be a pretty good device. I just recently bought the thing but from what I did so far it is right up my alley.
YMMV however.

As you're in a Reason thread, can you tell me how it works with the software. I have heard that it acts as an audio interface - but can it simply be operated as an input device into an existing A/I? I also believe that you can run two channels, a clean and an FX. True?

Actually this begs another question. Is Reason 8 capable of running two simultaneous audio interfaces? Until I get my 8ch rack I would like to use my 6in/2out Zoom H6 alongside Balance*, to have a 4ch facility for a recording project I am doing.


*what a piece of shit Balance is turning out to be. More and more faulty devices are coming to the surface as the warranty expires

It seems to work with Reason 8 here. But I still need some time to dig into it.

Having gone through the X1 disaster I have not been so cocksure about things. Let me tell you!!

[eXode]

I had you down as a smart, even-keeled cookie, exode. I couldn't have been more wrong. Did you actually read the post I was responding to?

KS was wondering about the Props' lack of developments, and I simply offered up the most likely reason for it.

It doesn't make me "a total douche bag" if you're unaware of the glaring differences between working conditions in Scandinavia and (most of) the rest of the world; it makes you ignorant.

I'm not bitter at all, sweetie; I'm actually in this "lazy man's paradise" system.

Then perhaps you should think about your own wording and how your post (might) come across to other users. With all this love flying around it's hard to tell who's serious and who's not...

[eXode]

I do not say *bleh*

[trimph1]

You just did.

[Mr. Fister]

It's a sad...sad release.

Nothing added to the Sound Bank, no new devices, just a few meager fixes and a Brite-Lite GUI. It's been painfully obvious to me how much $$$ they've spend on the actual program since V5. And sorry, RE's were indeed tacked on to the same architecture of Reason 4.

I'm still waiting for the "This is the biggest change to your music making since.....well, ever!" to smack me in the face!

That's the most bullshit sales pitch EVER in all the days of DAWs.

That is the SINGLE-MOST far-fetched advertisement claim EVER by any DAW software developer - period.

The biggest change??? Are you kidding??? Who even thought of that sales pitch?

[trimph1]

It's a sad...sad release.

Nothing added to the Sound Bank, no new devices, just a few meager fixes and a Brite-Lite GUI. It's been painfully obvious to me how much $$$ they've spend on the actual program since V5. And sorry, RE's were indeed tacked on to the same architecture of Reason 4.

I'm still waiting for the "This is the biggest change to your music making since.....well, ever!" to smack me in the face!

That's the most bullshit sales pitch EVER in all the days of DAWs.

That is the SINGLE-MOST far-fetched advertisement claim EVER by any DAW software developer - period.

The biggest change??? Are you kidding??? Who even thought of that sales pitch?

Gotta love those marketing men. Bet none use the thing...

[fmr]

...and they need a month off in the summer, and their extended Christmas holiday, and a few other holiday breaks scattered throughout the year.........

On top of all of that, there's an extremely generous maternity/paternity leave in place.

It's a very unique way of working, to say the least.

They work for living, they don't live for working. I think it's a good way

[Mr. Fister]

Everybody.....

Let's all take a step back for just a second - let's forget who we all are here in this forum whether we're a proponent of Props or are a critic.

Ok....for this one minute, lets all examine the phrase "This is the biggest change to your music making...ever."

O.o = Have you tried the program?

My God...in 2014 with all the amazing softwares there are, if you're saying that, that DAW better do something AMAZING!!

Instead...look at what that sales pitch was designed to do = Simply rope people in. When it's completely NOT the biggest change to music making.

Sad days for Propellerhead.

[C-note]

Reaper have what, two guys as programmers, and they release more updates than Propellerhead, who have 40 staff? Wow. ...

I haven't used Reason much lately but Reaper is still a baby in Workflow, Midi, Audio Editor? and GUI design compared to Reason or just about any other DAW due to the Reaper Dev's "Audio-Centric" focus.