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nrosko · Post by **nrosko** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:27 pm

nrosko wrote:Can't seem to trigger the env with midi if i load keys organ dirty grime preset then change the env input to midi. It doesn't except midi input. changing this back to a default preset & it works.

can any one reproduce this as seems like a bug to me?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:56 pm

Trying to learn the params for the modulation knobs is confusing the hell out of NI Kore 2 - it seems to just learn the param the knob is modulating, not the knob itself.

xiphiuz · Post by **xiphiuz** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:44 pm

nrosko wrote:
nrosko wrote:Can't seem to trigger the env with midi if i load keys organ dirty grime preset then change the env input to midi. It doesn't except midi input. changing this back to a default preset & it works.
can any one reproduce this as seems like a bug to me?

Hi.

You have to activate (power on) the midi button as well. Standard the midi is off in this particular preset.
Then you're good to go. In the 'IN MAIN' mode, the envelope is always triggering.

Hope this helps. Cheers!

nrosko · Post by **nrosko** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:04 pm

Right thanks. EDIt ok i get it now thanks.

xiphiuz · Post by **xiphiuz** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:10 pm

nrosko wrote:Right thanks. So what is the MIDi source for? Sorry for asking there is no manual yet.

No problem. Like Eek the Cat said: "It never hurts to help" a deadmau5

If you play a synth via midi (external instrument or vsti) you can put a version of the drop on top of it. If you activate midi within the drop and set the envelopes also to midi instead of audio in. you can retrigger the envelope via every midi-on message that you normally would use for triggering (only) the synth. This way its very handy to use the drop on f.e. a vsti that has great oscs but a weak filter and use the filter(s) of the drop instead.

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:53 am

I would like it if right click opened the dial number to type in and double left click reset the dial to default setting like most plugs do.

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:07 am

xiphiuz wrote:
nrosko wrote:Right thanks. So what is the MIDi source for? Sorry for asking there is no manual yet.
No problem. Like Eek the Cat said: "It never hurts to help" a deadmau5

If you play a synth via midi (external instrument or vsti) you can put a version of the drop on top of it. If you activate midi within the drop and set the envelopes also to midi instead of audio in. you can retrigger the envelope via every midi-on message that you normally would use for triggering (only) the synth. This way its very handy to use the drop on f.e. a vsti that has great oscs but a weak filter and use the filter(s) of the drop instead.

Thanks for that tip I'm trying to use DIVA and The Drop to create something like a Roland SH synth. So is it just a case of setting every setting in The Drop which has it to Midi? Setting ENV 1 and 2 to midi stops them having any effect.

xiphiuz · Post by **xiphiuz** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:00 pm

You're welcome. You could also play with the envelopes, so:
Adjust the attack, hold and release from ENV1 and put the midi button on (switch gets blue) on the righthand bottom/corner.

I've attached two presets for you. the first is just a simple diva patch with a long release. The second is a the drop preset with the midi engaged. Btw, you will notice that if you switch between GATE or TRIG the envelope behaves in a different way.

First load Diva and then put the Drop on top (or next to) of it.

Enjoy.

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:23 pm

xiphiuz wrote:You're welcome. You could also play with the envelopes, so:
Adjust the attack, hold and release from ENV1 and put the midi button on (switch gets blue) on the righthand bottom/corner.

I've attached two presets for you. the first is just a simple diva patch with a long release. The second is a the drop preset with the midi engaged. Btw, you will notice that if you switch between GATE or TRIG the envelope behaves in a different way.

First load Diva and then put the Drop on top (or next to) of it.

Enjoy.

Thanks for the presets xiphiuz got them working. You're a real help, have a nice day.

xiphiuz · Post by **xiphiuz** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:58 am

You're welcome. It are just two simple presets and I'm glad you get the feeling

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:25 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Yeah mousewheel over dropdown menus is cool. See u-he (I know you're friends with them, Andy ).

Mouse wheel sounds like a great solution! I'll add it

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:30 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Last post for a while: I just had a weird experience with the step sequencer (i.e. potential bug) but couldn't reproduce it after changing presets and trying to recreate the problem.

In short: To adjust step 1 on the visualizer, I'd have to click and drag my mouse cursor over step 2. To adjust step 3, I'd have to move step 4. To adjust step 8, I'd have to move step 1.

I loaded a new preset then went back to the one that first exhibited this problem and couldn't reproduce the issue. This was on Windows 7 x64, with Studio One 2.6.3 x64, using a Microsoft [optical] mouse.

Has anyone else seen this behavior?

The steps are fixed in position, and represent the starting position of each step when the LFO is at default settings. If you adjust the settings the actual shape of the LFO changes, try adjusting the swing time to 100 or -100 and half the LFO steps won't appear to do anything. This isn't a bug, it is actually a feature so you can edit all the steps all the time even if you can't see them, just have a bit more of a play with the Asym, Shape and Swing and it will all make sense.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:31 pm

nrosko wrote:
nrosko wrote:Can't seem to trigger the env with midi if i load keys organ dirty grime preset then change the env input to midi. It doesn't except midi input. changing this back to a default preset & it works.
can any one reproduce this as seems like a bug to me?

Switch on the Midi button in the bottom right and route midi to The Drop and it will work as expected, you will see the Midi light blink to show incoming midi is being received.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:34 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Trying to learn the params for the modulation knobs is confusing the hell out of NI Kore 2 - it seems to just learn the param the knob is modulating, not the knob itself.

You can only learn the destination of the knobs because of limitations of plugin specifications like AU/VST. I actually have all the screen knobs as "macro" knobs, and exposed those to hosts and set the flag "not automatable" but that didn't help, you would get double automation and a complete mess that way so I had to remove them completely.

I am trying to find a workaround for this, but it will require adding extra functionality to all plugin standards as it seems a really useful but glaring omission from all of them.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:35 pm

xiphiuz wrote:
nrosko wrote:Right thanks. So what is the MIDi source for? Sorry for asking there is no manual yet.
No problem. Like Eek the Cat said: "It never hurts to help" a deadmau5

If you play a synth via midi (external instrument or vsti) you can put a version of the drop on top of it. If you activate midi within the drop and set the envelopes also to midi instead of audio in. you can retrigger the envelope via every midi-on message that you normally would use for triggering (only) the synth. This way its very handy to use the drop on f.e. a vsti that has great oscs but a weak filter and use the filter(s) of the drop instead.

Yep, and you can also track the cutoff frequency with midi note in addition to triggering the envelopes.

Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter