Cubase 8 Release Date?

[jdieks]

Waves responded properly to this situation and changed policy completely.

How so? The waves package is still 2500 dollar in december when it's on sale.

Say Steinberg has 100 people working for them in total at 3000 per month average. They would actually pay more like 5000 per month, in Europe at least, for all the extra costs like a pension paid by the company etc.
So that's already 500000 PER MONTH on people. Then they have their building, trips for promotion, their servers, computers, cars, software, insurances, taxes... and the list goes on..

So I don't really see how the word "greed" fits in (we're not talking about apple who makes products for the masses, but we're talking about a DAW programming company)

[chk071]

So I don't really see how the word "greed" fits in (we're not talking about apple who makes products for the masses, but we're talking about a DAW programming company)

Tbh, i think rational stuff like this is a waste of time in any thread with "Steinberg" in its title. For the most people posting in these, Steinberg is a multinational corporation with 100.000's of employers, and a general management sipping champaign and driving Rools Royce's. All on the back of their poor client base, which is better beta testers. Only that the majority of their client base actually uses their products instead of whining all day long in forums like these.

[jdieks]

I guess you're right

[LawrenceF]

IIRC, Yamaha bought Steinberg for $28 million, relative peanuts. I don't think it's a really big company.

If you look at Yamaha's financial reports Steiny is buried in there invisibly, probably way down in "other", a tiny, tiny, tiny slice ... so any talk about Steiny "pleasing stockholders" is nonsense. Most Yahaha stockholders probably have never even heard of Cubase or Steinberg.

In other words, in the scale of things, AVID probably laid off more people over the last few years than even actually work at Steinberg.

[standalone]

Please, do not disturb guys. There is a drama going on in this thread. All your real data and common sense lead us nowhere.

[beatmangler443]

[quote="LawrenceF"]IIRC, Yamaha bought Steinberg for $28 million, relative peanuts. I don't think it's a really big company.

If you look at Yamaha's financial reports Steiny is buried in there invisibly, probably way down in "other", a tiny, tiny, tiny slice ... so any talk about Steiny "pleasing stockholders" is nonsense. Most Yahaha stockholders probably have never even heard of Cubase or Steinberg.

In other words, in the scale of things, AVID probably laid off more people over the last few years than even actually work at Steinberg.[/quote}

Leave it alone. You've have been beating this steinberg deadhorse for years and do it on gearslutz. Your a studio one guy, we get it. I have studio one professional. Presonus can't mess with Steinberg in terms of virtual instruments and hardware. In my experience, I had the presonus 44 vsl and the drivers were awful. The ur 44 drivers are rock solid. If steinberg figure out a way to do somethings similar to studio one and better, plus with additions to the instrument line it's a wrap.

[LawrenceF]

???? What the heck are you on about?

I was - defending - Steinberg. Maybe you should read the page in context. In other words me saying they don't cater to shareholders is - defending - them against people who have no clue what they're talking about and always try to paint every company with more than 5 employees as an evil corporate devil that only cares about money.

Their only shareholder they have that I'm aware of is Yamaha.

How you read what I said as bashing Cubase or promoting something else (when I didn't even mention anything about the capabilities of the actual product or any other product) says more about you than me.

Now go through all 6 pages of this thread and please quote anything I said bad about Cubase or Steinberg.

it's a wrap

Sometimes I wonder if I'm chatting with like, 13 year olds around here. "It's a wrap?" No, all these companies will keep selling no matter what the others do. It's not a wrap, it's business, and they're all selling to somebody.

[lfm]

Again, the statement seems to be "what you do is okay, take my money".

Everybody, everytime you buy something - that is the statement you do.
We buy things all the time, and forget that this is what we do.
- I like this product and price is ok

The strongest statement if you are not pleased is - do not buy.
If you like the product but have concerns - tell the company so.

- the bugs I reported two years ago remain, so I'm stepping out.

The biggest improvement in my book is maybe Cakewalk. They have this bugtracker, you get emails when things are taken on, or refused or whatever.
And that also made tremendous improvement in how Sonar X3 works.
By no means perfect, by that's really all you can ask that they make an effort.

Any serious business want to improve - products and thereby sales.

[lfm]

So I don't really see how the word "greed" fits in (we're not talking about apple who makes products for the masses, but we're talking about a DAW programming company)

Maybe it's too strong a word, I don't know.

Steinberg is probably among those about to adapt to new situation on market. Elements have more features and is more usable(than earlier entry level) and an entry level pricing. Something is about to happend with licensing system which many complained about over the years. They had campaigns that makes buying entry level product and upgrade to full version cheaper than buying competitors full version products(apart from Reaper).

Things that make me avoid a vendor is maintenance, or lack of. When you sit there and find something that does not work, spend an hour or so figuring out this must be a bug. Report this - and you get replies this is a known issue, and a link showing this was known 7 months before the date of your last update.

I get pretty mad over this - why should new users experience the same issues over and over. This consumes productive time.

Microsoft has a pretty good system, I think. They have these knowledge base articles with fixes - that you can patch your system before the regular servicepacks are released.

[auron]

The sad reality, and this is what was also mentioned in a more recent Musotalk Podcast (if we bring that up), is that the users that "jump" a version are then burned by the not really transparent upgrade fees (which go up with pretty much each consecutive release these days). So you might as well buy Cubase new, and with certain online shops that sell below MSRP, you might even pay as much as a "regular" upgrade.

Is it just me or are you raving all the time about Cubase' upgrade fees? I mean if you are are freelancer and want to make your Business with Audio production, you should rather get customers on your side instead of bashing Steinberg all the time. I don't know what Steinberg did to you, they destroyed your business, you are broke now? You don't have to buy an upgrade if you are THIS low on money. And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs. Maybe Image Line does it, but you don't know what and how many people are working there.

[standalone]

"It's a wrap?".

Yes, it's a wrap !!!!!!!!!!!!

[chk071]

Please, do not disturb guys. There is a drama going on in this thread. All your real data and common sense lead us nowhere.

[ZINO]

And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs.

Excuse me Mr., but 150 Euros every two years and 50 more in-between has nothing to do with "free". And they are the only DAW company who actually do this ATM (in this time frame at least)....

Please go and have your common sense calibrated.

[budweiser]

And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs.

Excuse me Mr., but 150 Euros every two years and 50 more in-between has nothing to do with "free". And they are the only DAW company who actually do this ATM (in this time frame at least)....

Please go and have your common sense calibrated.

150+50 = 200, 200/720 = 0.27euros ($0.33) a day for keeping your software up to date. As you probably, like everyone else, drink beers once a week in a bar, let's say you spend 15e/week in beers, 15x52x2 = 1560 euros ($1960).

Please go and have your common sense calibrated !

[ZINO]

And you can't expect everything for free from all Software companies who are working on DAWs.

Excuse me Mr., but 150 Euros every two years and 50 more in-between has nothing to do with "free". And they are the only DAW company who actually do this ATM (in this time frame at least)....

Please go and have your common sense calibrated.

150+50 = 200, 200/720 = 0.27euros ($0.33) a day for keeping your software up to date. As you probably, like everyone else, drink beers once a week in a bar, let's say you spend 15e/week in beers, 15x52x2 = 1560 euros ($1960).

Please go and have your common sense calibrated !

I'd rather use opportunity cost to compare DAWs prices to DAWs prices not to whatever comes into your mind.