Give me the WoW factors of Reason 8, pls

[EnGee]

they have "removed" is the browser cancel button. Is that that much of a deal breaker for you?

Yes it is, absolutely a deal breaker. Along with the even brighter sequencer background

Congratulation for having version 8 next week then. Welcome to the bright new era

He'll be blazing through projects so fast that he'll have even more time to spend in this really dark KVR forum.


Whadya think, EnGee?

Remember the white font when first KVR changed the style? But fortunately we just needed to refresh our Browser's cache

Well, it might be like "Korg 01/W" name! So maybe (It is my theory of course not depending on any facts!) PH managers told the designers "We want very light interface" (Light = not heavy) and then the designers understood it like (Light = Bright). Everything is possible!

The grey indicator for the main volume reminds me of the "mute" indicator in Cubase! Anyway, I really hope they change it in future releases with a nice design.
It reminds me also of Logic. I thought Apple would make a retro style of Logic 4/5 but with a better polished graphics in their X release. Anyway, I'm old fashioned it seems and things are getting either very dark or very bright (bright means light or shining here not smart!)

[Mr. Fister]

Well. The sequencer may be brighter for some but I like it this way. With my eyesight the way it is it does relieve eyestrain.

The patch browser issue is just another annoyance... but not showstopper quality.

What I think could have been a lot better would have been to not have shoved RE SDK out before the bugs had been worked out. To me, the whole thing is a bit of an embarrassing situation. Even if the debacle was 2 years ago it might have been more useful working on the SDK during that time then bringing it out.

I personally can't believe the SDK is in the state its in 2.5 years down the line.

BUT....after reviewing it, I easily CAN see why it's where it is......

It's so they can trickle it out.

It's so they can MAKE you have to buy the new version so you can use the "New SDK RE's"....

How doesn't one see this as a cruel trap, and BULLSHIT from a corporation??

I'm more into using industry standard VST's that are found in 99% of studios than I am using RE's that are found in .005% of bedrooms in the world.

Please know: I'm not trying to offend anyone here. This is my professional opinion on the matter. This is an opinion forged form nearly 20 years of recording digitally. If you want to think I'm just a Reason hater, you're wrong. I love Reason.

where it is right now, is HIGHLY....up for debate and discussion. Which is what brings us all here.

NOT to kiss ass to Propellerhead. There's one or two that hang around here that are complete kiss-asses, but that's what forums are for. Diversity is a good thing. Mindlessly following any product is not.

[saturdaysaint]

I'm not the world's biggest R8 fan (see my post history), but it's fascinating to me that people here simultaneously believe that:

a) Props has somehow magically attracted a mindless group of zombie musicians who continually buy their products.
b) ...while somehow having the worst marketing in music software. (this I think we can all agree on)
c)...yet despite these hordes of braindead consumer beasts mindlessly buying/enjoying their software based on Euro-trash marketing, they're on the brink of BANKRUPTCY
d)...as has been proclaimed for several years/release cycles.
e)...yet while they dangle on the brink of financial ruin, they are actively HOLDING BACK features to greedily prop up their next major release.
f)...AND releasing and regularly updating a string of inexpensive, fun iOS apps seemingly on a lark (like Nero fiddling while Rome burned?)
g)...this greedy/incompetent company on the verge of failure whose software they won't use is worth ranting about year after year after year...

To me, it's easier to believe that:

a) The Rack and highly integrated nature of its devices make Reason a different beast than any VST host.
b) This has lead to an unpredictable, funky, sometimes frustrating development path.
c) Lots of people still find it uniquely fun, reliable and productive to use.

[trimph1]

I think the situation is more that there is a certain reluctance on the part of some here to recognize that ALL daws suffer from various issues. Reason is not the only one that exists here.

My god...I recall using an old Wollensack reel to reel and doing tape editing using razor blades for crying out loud. Or...using hissfest 4 track recorders... however did we make music then?

In my case I just wanted to see if it works here.

And it does.

A lot better than my health lately.

[eXode]

I think the situation is more that there is a certain reluctance on the part of some here to recognize that ALL daws suffer from various issues. Reason is not the only one that exists here.

My god...I recall using an old Wollensack reel to reel and doing tape editing using razor blades for crying out loud. Or...using hissfest 4 track recorders... however did we make music then?

In my case I just wanted to see if it works here.

And it does.

A lot better than my health lately.

You got to hand it to Mike Oldfield when he recorded Tubular Bells. He used a razor to slice the master tapes into little strips/or covered the eraser head on the tape, and recorded pretty much all of the instruments himself, and then he made it all come together. We've got it easy these days...

[trimph1]

Well. The sequencer may be brighter for some but I like it this way. With my eyesight the way it is it does relieve eyestrain.

The patch browser issue is just another annoyance... but not showstopper quality.

What I think could have been a lot better would have been to not have shoved RE SDK out before the bugs had been worked out. To me, the whole thing is a bit of an embarrassing situation. Even if the debacle was 2 years ago it might have been more useful working on the SDK during that time then bringing it out.

I personally can't believe the SDK is in the state its in 2.5 years down the line.

BUT....after reviewing it, I easily CAN see why it's where it is......

It's so they can trickle it out.

It's so they can MAKE you have to buy the new version so you can use the "New SDK RE's"....

How doesn't one see this as a cruel trap, and BULLSHIT from a corporation??

I'm more into using industry standard VST's that are found in 99% of studios than I am using RE's that are found in .005% of bedrooms in the world.

Please know: I'm not trying to offend anyone here. This is my professional opinion on the matter. This is an opinion forged form nearly 20 years of recording digitally. If you want to think I'm just a Reason hater, you're wrong. I love Reason.

where it is right now, is HIGHLY....up for debate and discussion. Which is what brings us all here.

NOT to kiss ass to Propellerhead. There's one or two that hang around here that are complete kiss-asses, but that's what forums are for. Diversity is a good thing. Mindlessly following any product is not.

You know, rereading your post here made me think about the issue regarding vst support. Depending on which vst level we are currently at or older. When the Borg changed their vst to 3...or is it now 3.5 or higher now it comes across as pretty much the same thing. Then, we see AAX and PC versions as well as DXi( does anyone still use this??) it makes me wonder if the idea of a 'standard' is more freewheeling than we thought.

Oh...then comes Linux with LADSPA..

[TheNickC]

I think the situation is more that there is a certain reluctance on the part of some here to recognize that ALL daws suffer from various issues. Reason is not the only one that exists here.

This is definitely true, you can pick any DAW and come up with a lengthy list of issues. There are things I don't like about how Propellerhead does business but claiming that they've already developed features that they're holding back is pretty silly when you look at every other DAW out there and see similar issues and development being quite time consuming. There's no perfect DAW, Reason having flaws is (probably) not some insidious plot by the props to make you spend more on upgrades

[goldengate]

Cats out of the bag.

[stroker_ace]

I personally can't believe the SDK is in the state its in 2.5 years down the line.

BUT....after reviewing it, I easily CAN see why it's where it is......

It's so they can trickle it out.

It's so they can MAKE you have to buy the new version so you can use the "New SDK RE's"....

What gave you the idea they were trickling out features to their user base? Was it the ability to record audio being introduced in 2009 (for another $99), or MIDI OUT being introduced in 2013 (for another $129)?

Looking back on it, the worst part of it all, imo, was how disingenuous and evasive they were about the entire process; the stone-silence, the deaf ears, the playing dumb, etc.

It's actually quite nauseating.

How doesn't one see this as a cruel trap, and BULLSHIT from a corporation??

That's overstating it, as you're not forced to buy anything more, and they're not taking anything aw................well, aside from the terrible Line 6 devices nobody should be using anyway, they're not taking anything away.

What some see as a trap many see as their invitation to leave Reason. I know at least one person did.

But yes, the "need to upgrade to use the new SDK REs" thing was an incredibly sleazy thing to do, and most certainly "BULLSHIT".

It's to the point where I think they only offered the PWYW upgrade many moons ago (which they originally tried to charge for, by the way) because they knew what shady shit they'd be running in the future.

[Doug1978]

Reason 8? Pffft.

Reason 4 all the way, baby.

[EnochLight]

I'm not the world's biggest R8 fan (see my post history), but it's fascinating to me that people here simultaneously believe that:

a) Props has somehow magically attracted a mindless group of zombie musicians who continually buy their products.
b) ...while somehow having the worst marketing in music software. (this I think we can all agree on)
c)...yet despite these hordes of braindead consumer beasts mindlessly buying/enjoying their software based on Euro-trash marketing, they're on the brink of BANKRUPTCY
d)...as has been proclaimed for several years/release cycles.
e)...yet while they dangle on the brink of financial ruin, they are actively HOLDING BACK features to greedily prop up their next major release.
f)...AND releasing and regularly updating a string of inexpensive, fun iOS apps seemingly on a lark (like Nero fiddling while Rome burned?)
g)...this greedy/incompetent company on the verge of failure whose software they won't use is worth ranting about year after year after year...

To me, it's easier to believe that:

a) The Rack and highly integrated nature of its devices make Reason a different beast than any VST host.
b) This has lead to an unpredictable, funky, sometimes frustrating development path.
c) Lots of people still find it uniquely fun, reliable and productive to use.

You make a lot of great points, actually.

[damoog]

I can't really be arsed with all the controversy that surrounds Reason,all I know is that I thoroughly enjoy writing music with it along side ableton live,I'm not really interested in the business side of propellerhead either although I would agree on many of the ongoing topics here at kvr regarding their apple way of marketing

If it's not for you then simply don't use it,I don't like cubase but I'm certainly not going to flame a cubase user if he/she likes it and moan for 8 pages long about how much it sucks balls

[EnochLight]

I don't like cubase but I'm certainly not going to flame a cubase user if he/she likes it and moan for 8 pages long about how much it sucks balls

That's another great point. Agree 100%.

[stroker_ace]

I can't really be arsed with all the controversy that surrounds Reason,all I know is that I thoroughly enjoy writing music with it along side ableton live,I'm not really interested in the business side of propellerhead either although I would agree on many of the ongoing topics here at kvr regarding their apple way of marketing

If it's not for you then simply don't use it,I don't like cubase but I'm certainly not going to flame a cubase user if he/she likes it and moan for 8 pages long about how much it sucks balls

amen, bro........amen.

[chk071]

Yep, +1.