KVR Audio

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:24 am

Waves are weird, but good quality, stable and worth it if you use it. I haven't registered my copy of codex yet though because it's REALLY hungry even on my system. I might entertain letting it go. I hope nobody gets pissed for me mentioning that here

audientronic · Post by **audientronic** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:56 am

hibidy wrote:?.. I might entertain letting it go. I hope nobody gets pissed for me mentioning that here

I'm completely enraged. How could you.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:56 am

Well, I meant something completely different. I refrain from explaining it as it might get me into trouble

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:52 am

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 am

kiezum wrote:
Ingonator wrote: Anyway the synth engine uses additional interpolation and the "Resolution" knob at the OSCs adjusts how smooth this is done (smoothest with the knob at maximum and very "steppy" at minimum).
This way it is even possible to get smooth results if the wavetable includes less than 40 waveforms (like e.g. 33 if you use audio term for creating wavetables).

That makes sense. Why didn't Waves ask you to write the Codex manual?

I just found this at the official Codex website concerning wavetable interpolation/smoothing by the synth engine:

Codex also innovatively uses a high-resolution FFT-based automatic interpolation technology that results in extraordinarily smooth morphing as you sweep through wavetables.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:49 am

This thing can get pretty analog!

I have been working on emulating some of my hardware synths with this and its gets darn close:

https://soundcloud.com/vintage-synth-pa ... presets-48

https://soundcloud.com/vintage-synth-pa ... resets-fat

https://soundcloud.com/vintage-synth-pa ... esets-slow

kiezum · Post by **kiezum** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:02 am

PatchAdamz wrote:This thing can get pretty analog!

I have been working on emulating some of my hardware synths with this and its gets darn close:

Sounds great. The import function is so easy to use. I've also been importing lots of audio recordings with good results.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:08 am

kiezum wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:This thing can get pretty analog!

I have been working on emulating some of my hardware synths with this and its gets darn close:
Sounds great. The import function is so easy to use. I've also been importing lots of audio recordings with good results.

The WAV import (resynthesis) indeed seems to work nicely. As alraedy mentioned the Serum output format (is a WAV file too) from the Audio Term wavetable editor tool so far seems to work quite nicely for importing your own wavetables.

Link for the Audio Term thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7&t=334828

Interpolation does not seem to be a big problem as there is additional interpolation by the synth engine (smoothest result with the Resolution knob as maximum while lower amounts could sound interesting too).

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:58 am

kiezum wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:This thing can get pretty analog!

I have been working on emulating some of my hardware synths with this and its gets darn close:
Sounds great. The import function is so easy to use. I've also been importing lots of audio recordings with good results.

160 of them are Available now - HERE.
I Put up about 40 examples so you can really here the synth.

Codex has a nice balance between the analog and digital.
You can keep it on the analog side with the right tweaking.
There also seems to be some built in limiting creating some subtle character on the output.

The filters and EQ have a decidedly Waves quality which reminds me of some of their hardware emulations.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:07 am

PatchAdamz wrote:[
Codex has a nice balance between the analog and digital.
You can keep it on the analog side with the right tweaking.
There also seems to be some built in limiting creating some subtle character on the output.

It seems to be possible to change the basic sound of a wavetable quite much when using e.g. the Resolution knob (there could be quite a big difference when changing the default value which is at maximum), the Formant knob/feature (that coukld change the harmonic content) and Oscillator interactions like Ringmod, FM and Osc Sync (those could be used all at once).

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:09 pm

Ingonator wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:[
Codex has a nice balance between the analog and digital.
You can keep it on the analog side with the right tweaking.
There also seems to be some built in limiting creating some subtle character on the output.
It seems to be possible to change the basic sound of a wavetable quite much when using e.g. the Resolution knob (there could be quite a big difference when changing the default value which is at maximum), the Formant knob/feature (that coukld change the harmonic content) and Oscillator interactions like Ringmod, FM and Osc Sync (those could be used all at once).

Well, yes of course, but Codex is a unique beast, very much unlike other Wavetable based synths.

Adjusting things like the Resolution or Formant relate directly to the wavetables, but Codex gets much of its more analog qualities from its filtering and effects.

Having used Waves plugins in studios for decades, the characteristics of its sound is very recognizable.

Synths are new to Waves, but effects are what they have been doing for a very long time.

Because of this, Codex has a very "Waves" sound to it.

That sound is part of the things that color and give Codex it unique sonic character.

Serum, for example has very different sounding filters and effects as does Dune 2.

What I have found is that one of Codexs strengths is in its filters and effects.

Also, as mentioned, there seems to be some type of limiting occurring on the output.

This seems to be creating some level of saturation when hit correctly with the signal.

That in combination with effects create the ability to get very "analog" sounding with Codex.

Perhaps the synths biggest sonically aesthetic strength.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:45 am

Edited.

The problem i found seem to be normal when installing both VST2 and VST3 at the same time.

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:52 am

Too bad it doesn't fit with my notebook resolution - and I guess there will be no fix for that...

audientronic · Post by **audientronic** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:01 pm

Ingonator wrote:Hi,

i just noticed a strange problem with the Codex VST2 plugin (at windows 7 64-bit).

While the VST2 works nicely in Live 9 64-bit and also the VST3 works in Studio One 2.6.3 64-bit (+ also the AAX plugin seem to work in PT11) i could not find the VST2 plugin in Studio One.

UPDATE:
Te VST2 also works in Reaper 4.7 while it is recogniszed as a FX plugin and not as an Instrument which could be confusing when searching the plugin in Reaper. Also checked if it is installed as a FX in Studio One but did not find it there.

Same issue with the Waves Element VST2 plugin in Studio One. I just sent an email to Waves support.

UPDATE:
Just checked witth the Trial version of Cubase 7.5.30 64-it. Seems to be the same problem as in Studio One, VST3 works and VST2 not (for both Codex and Element).

None of my Waves plugs show up as VST2 in Studio One. On a Mac here.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:30 pm

As I understand it, there's a choice between authorising Codex on a 'poor man's ilok', any FAT 32 formated USB stick, or directly on the computer boot disk.

Does anyone know if Waves gives you two authorisations (for the laptop and for the syudio machine, for instance), if I go the hard disk auth route?

/Joachim

Waves Codex Wavetable Synth