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Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:12 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote: And MIDI controllers don't speak "automation".

Well, actually many do. When you have a control surface that uses automation parameters, there is no midi learning, there is no midi to worry about at all, it happens behind the scenes. There is direct learning of the automation parameter itself. This is where hardware controllers are going. Kore used this, Maschine, Novation automap, Live controllers like Push and the APC and all the rest, Bitwig controllers, Nektar Panormama with any supported DAWs like Cubase, plus most host own control surface support.

AdmiralQuality wrote: (And it's not two way. If you move a knob on your plug-in the knob on your hardware controller doesn't move! I wish! )

Actually, it is. If you have a rotary encoder, the value does update if the parameter on screen changes. Or if you have a motorized fader. If a regular fader or knob then the value changes but you would probably have a mode on it where when you adjust it when it's no longer at the same place as the value then it only starts to change when you reach the point of the current value or there is usually a value scaling mode too.

AdmiralQuality wrote: And of course Poly-Ana responds to and sends VST automation as well. So if you have a control surface thingee, it'll work as you described. (Full disclosure: I've actually never even tried one.)

I very nearly included a feature in Poly-Ana to convert incoming MIDI to outgoing automation. Had it working -- it's literally just one additional line of code. But it caused havock in some hosts so we "keep 'em separated".

You've done all you need to do for Poly-Ana to be completely controlled by a decent "control surface thingee". Every button and modulation source is automatable so it's all completely mappable to hardware using a system like Novation automap. So just like you have dials on screen to pick a modulation source, you can turn a knob on the Novation SL and see the different modulation sources on the display to chose from. It's great. I hate when synths don't have their menus automatable.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:59 pm

Well, my point about the control surfaces is they have no open standard for communications. They have to have a proprietary interface to each and every host they support. (They don't send "VST automation" -- that is strictly an interface between host and VST plug-ins.) As such, that stuff doesn't really exist to us. It's just extensions of host functionality that are completely transparent to the plug-ins. As opposed to MIDI where we actually see the same MIDI that your controller sends and are free to interpret it as we choose. (Something that's been taken away in VST 3.x, but that's a big part of why we'll probably never support it -- we're only as strong as the host's implementation, then. And even after it's been out for years, I'm still hearing horror stories about VST 3.x and industry adoption is still very low.)

Anyway, yes, if your host can support a surface, then Poly-Ana supports it when plugged into that host. I didn't know there were any motorized control surface products though. Which ones?

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:04 am

Behringer BCF2000 is a motorized MIDI 8-fader bank. There is also the Mackie MCU products. But I haven't seen motorized knobs.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:06 am

I've got a BCF2000, which is probably the most popular (coz it's cheap). Behringer are bringing out a keyboard with a set of motorized faders soon ...

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:47 pm

One more check in to see how the OSX people are doing with the program and bank saving and loading. Are you able to load files you've saved yourself? (Only Poly-Ana licensees will be able to fully test this as the demo mode has .pap and .pab file saving disabled. Everybody can load them though.)

Let us know.

And FYI, we're getting close to what we hope will be the final update in this Beta period. So if you want to take advantage of the $89.98 USD half-price offer, now's the time. We'll be ending the Beta and going back to full price soon. (There will be at least one more update before this. But assuming there's no big bugs to fix we'll be ending the Beta very soon after that one comes out. Weeks, not months.)

Thanks!

vic_france · Post by **vic_france** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:52 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:One more check in to see how the OSX people are doing with the program and bank saving and loading. Are you able to load files you've saved yourself?
Thanks!

Just one slight problem with saving banks (now that you finally sorted out the invisible extension

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It isn't saving with the .pab extension, so is currently greyed out when trying to reload. But if I add the .pab extension manually (in the Finder) then it it reloads fine

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No problem at all with .pap files though

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Koshdukai · Post by **Koshdukai** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:37 am

koshdukai wrote:cosmetic issue with the GUI keyb getting "stuck notes" while legato-playing.

Just stuck on the GUI. Notes are killed fine by the voice management

ok, this got fixed (skipped 3, checking beta 4).

One question though: Is the background changing supposed to work on the beta?

Tried placing one the pics in the "Download Poly-Ana backgrounds" section, renamed as "Poly-AnaBG.png" next to the "Poly-Ana.dll" (same folder where "Poly-Ana Banks (save anywhere you like)" is and Poly-Ana is able to find those) and the default background's still shows up.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:05 am

Custom backgrounds are still to come. Mac too, this time.

Koshdukai · Post by **Koshdukai** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:36 am

AdmiralQuality wrote:Custom backgrounds are still to come. Mac too, this time.

ah, ok, that explains it then. Thanks

Dan_E10 · Post by **Dan_E10** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:36 pm

I'd like to jump on the bandwagon in saying how beautiful this synth sounds. I've owned Polyana for that last few years. Early this year I finally broke down and got a synthesizers.com modular because I wanted to have that true analog sound. The dotcom included their Moog style ladder filter. At first I was a little disappointed that the modular didn't sound like much of a step up from Polyana. As I've gotten to know it more deeply quite often I wish I could tweak the modular to sound a little more like Polyana!

Dan

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:44 pm

Dan_E10 wrote:I'd like to jump on the bandwagon in saying how beautiful this synth sounds. I've owned Polyana for that last few years. Early this year I finally broke down and got a synthesizers.com modular because I wanted to have that true analog sound. The dotcom included their Moog style ladder filter. At first I was a little disappointed that the modular didn't sound like much of a step up from Polyana. As I've gotten to know it more deeply quite often I wish I could tweak the modular to sound a little more like Polyana!
Dan

Wow that's quite a compliment

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:15 pm

Nielzie wrote:
Dan_E10 wrote:I'd like to jump on the bandwagon in saying how beautiful this synth sounds. I've owned Polyana for that last few years. Early this year I finally broke down and got a synthesizers.com modular because I wanted to have that true analog sound. The dotcom included their Moog style ladder filter. At first I was a little disappointed that the modular didn't sound like much of a step up from Polyana. As I've gotten to know it more deeply quite often I wish I could tweak the modular to sound a little more like Polyana!
Dan
Wow that's quite a compliment

Yes it is, thanks Dan! (We've quoted you on our Facebook Page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Admiral- ... 5998371886 )

How's Beta 4 treating everyone? No showstopper issues? Any minor complaints/suggestions?

There should be another (possibly final but we'll see...) Beta release in the next week or so. There's one BIG feature that was originally intended for Poly-Ana 2.x that we think we're almost ready to roll out now. But still tweaking it. Wish I could tell you what it was, but I never promise anything until it's fully baked and this still requires a bit more cookin'. Fingers crossed that it'll make it in.

What will be included for sure is bringing L'il Poly-Ana into the Beta, as well as restoring the custom background loading and bringing that to the Mac as well.

Stay tuned!

ftech · Post by **ftech** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:40 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote: How's Beta 4 treating everyone? No showstopper issues? Any minor complaints/suggestions?

All good here so far.
I've just ordered a new Mac Pro which will surely arrive pre-loaded with Yosemite OS...Anyone using PA in Yosemite yet?

Echoes in the Attic · Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:42 pm

ftech wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote: How's Beta 4 treating everyone? No showstopper issues? Any minor complaints/suggestions?
All good here so far.
I've just ordered a new Mac Pro which will surely arrive pre-loaded with Yosemite OS...Anyone using PA in Yosemite yet?

I'm using Yosemite and haven't had problems. Though can't say I've stress tested it.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:48 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
ftech wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote: How's Beta 4 treating everyone? No showstopper issues? Any minor complaints/suggestions?
All good here so far.
I've just ordered a new Mac Pro which will surely arrive pre-loaded with Yosemite OS...Anyone using PA in Yosemite yet?
I'm using Yosemite and haven't had problems. Though can't say I've stress tested it.

Ah! Thanks for that and yes, a good question. Any surprises for us in Yosemite, brave early-adopters?

LAST CHANCE! Poly-Ana and L'il Poly-Ana 1.20 BETA w. OSX x64 AU support!