Why doesn't Sound on Sound mag. have an FL Studio section?

[Chopper]

I do not know any of the artists mentioned.

Then you need to get out more or expand your horizons. EDM is big business in the music industry these days. The comments you followed this statement with reinforce my impression that you have no idea how important EDM is and how much money is being made there.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalley ... -continue/

http://www.forbes.com/electronic-cash-kings/

i've been going out far too much in the past 25 years, thank you very much, playing in various clubs all over europe and produced far more tracks that made it on dancefloors that i could remember. that plus being an early pioneer of british early 90's underground rave culture. the fact that i stopped working in that 5 years ago might be indeed connected to my ignorance of the current ''flavour of the month''. plus fame, talent and money are not necessarly connected, since you seem to emphesize a lot on the ''big bisness/money'' side of things. it's like saying Britney Spear is a great singer, just by looking at the numbers.
there is indeed good quality dancefloor-oriented music. you posting the names of simplistic, formulated and easy to swallow ''artists'' that are making big money is not necessarly working in your favour in that argument. you do not seem to see my point, so let me put it differently: I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU HERE.
as someone already quoted my signature, let me say it again: it's not what you use, it's how you use it. i've been attacked by many of me collegues for many years at the end of my career for using plugins. now let make this straight: i wasn't a bedroom EBM ''producer". i was working in a 4 floors studio complex, owning 3 studios in said building, recording, mixing and sometimes mastering world famous artists that everyone would know, whatever your musical preferences. having racks of massenburg eqs and yet prefering to use plugins is not a practice remotly tolerated in what is ''the industry'' (i am talking about the music industry here, not the ''EBM industry that makes big money''). and yet, i was doing just that. even sticking some good quality freewares on some records that still sold truckloads. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU USE, IT'S HOW YOU USE IT.
i do understand the user and its knowledge is more important than the tool and it is perfectly possible to produce a rock album that would be nicely received solely with FLstudio. now, the issue here, is many people criticize your product for being awkwards for proper multitracking (and i agree it's not it's strongest asset), and geared towards EDM producers who work mostly with softwares/plugins only. you reply on the defencive by posting the name of famous EDM producers and talking big money makers. that seems a bit paradoxal, don't you think?

comparing Aviccii to mozart? really? classics of their generation?

Don't misquote me. I was making the point that 'entering notes into a Piano roll' is exactly what Mozart did. Re Avicii and classics? 474+ Million views shows he is doing something right.



I get the feeling your post is in bad faith.

Regards Scott

i sort of misquoted you. let's say that i was trying to make a point that you actually made with your reply.
474millions views.
if you think he must be doing something right, then I am sure you must be thinking that McDonalds is doing something right everytimes you are having a proper 5 courses meal in a real restaurant.

i didn't post in bad faith, but i have the feeling you replied in bad faith.
once again, i am not attacking you, but merely pointing out to you that your arguments might not be the best if you want to present your product as a valid DAW.

[sjm]

I love how always this very same topic comes up and then people who point out deficiencies or subpar features get trolled by Image-Line and especially Gol.

Gol always says that everything's ok, and there are workarounds. Or that the bugs are actually features planned by him and all that kind of stuff. But a simple look at other DAW's and you know what it is.

Exactly - the very fact that we use the term "workaround" speaks volumes about how it isn't designed ideally.

This is case in point. Working in Edison is not optimal. Take look at how comping and in place editing works in PT. Its hundred times better and more efficient than in FL Studio. Editing in context is a huge time saver.

I've not used PT myself, but I assume it's much like Reaper and Cubase in this regard, i.e. designed for exactly this task and therefore optimized with minimum hassle on the part of the user.

Just because I think the audio side of FL is naff doesn't mean I hate IL or think FL is a toy. It's still my preferred host - I just wish it were even better than it already is. There's no lack of things it's great as (which is why I use it) and no lack of things that irritate the hell out of me. Cubase and Reaper also irritate me for different reasons (I'm obviously a grumpy sod). I'd simply love the best of both worlds in one solution rather than workarounds like using FL as a VST or rewire.

This is probably where I should post a cheesy motivational poster of a cat and some text along the lines of "Working as specified is not the same as working as desired" and "If you aren't looking to improve you're going backwards". I'll leave this as an exercise for the reader though, as there aren't enough cat pics/motivational posters in this thread yet. We've checked most of the other "obligatory KVR thread content" check boxes.

[tony tony chopper]

Take look at how comping and in place editing works in PT. Its hundred times better and more efficient than in FL Studio. Editing in context is a huge time saver.

I totally agree, but why are you calling this RECORDING? That's editing, not recording.
You may say it's just words, but it's because of this that we have silly things like "one-click recording" in FL. If I'm asked to implement things like this, it's because others at IL take "recording sucks" to the letter, like if it was really the act of gettign audio into FL that was the problem.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with the act of recording audio (that, or every tool has), and wouldn't exclude Edison to get audio into FL before comping.

Until then, I don't think we're losing much because audio recording is the last thing in the audio world that's still restricted to an elite (thus, not many people), as it requires hardware, proper location, & knowledge. If I wanted recording in FL, it's to record what comes out of FL to edit & feed it back into FL or plugins (like, quick sampling), and that's what Edison does perfectly.

[Chopper]

Until then, I don't think we're losing much because audio recording is the last thing in the audio world that's still restricted to an elite (thus, not many people), as it requires hardware, proper location, & knowledge. If I wanted recording in FL, it's to record what comes out of FL to edit & feed it back into FL or plugins (like, quick sampling), and that's what Edison does perfectly.

... the answer to the original post.


I believe the image line crew took this thread as "FLstudio sucks" rather than what it was... but this answer contains the most accurate reply somehow....

[robotmonkey]

What you're talking about has nothing to do with the act of recording audio (that, or every tool has), and wouldn't exclude Edison to get audio into FL before comping.

Nope. It's all part of the same story. To use PT example again it's very easy to record multiple takes into a track, then comp them into one take and do some precision editing. Contrary to FL Studio It's super efficient and logical.

And I do not think that recording audio is any way out. Most of the young bands consist most of the time of guitar, bass, drums and vocal, and they want it recorded and overdubbed. Even those who make dance music (but do not program it by mouse) want to record stuff. So saying that there is no need to record audio anymore is a classic Gol trolling, IMHO.

[tooneba]

should the magazine be called Recording on Recording?

[ZenPunkHippy]

should the magazine be called Recording on Recording?

If you think about the name a different way, it already is

[Chopper]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Paul

[Loki Fuego]

Is it like "I never bought a single issue, but I wonder"?

I don't really understand why mags do any software-centric articles. Unless it's a really clever trick, there's no point in writing about general work-flow of a certain DAW. If I would like to know how to do something in, for example, Cubase, I won't be waiting for a next issue of a mag to find out. RTFM (or other substitute) is a better way.

But, well, I think you have to write about something, be it another article on how to record audio in a certain DAW or a new series on compression.

[tony tony chopper]

So saying that there is no need to record audio anymore is a classic Gol trolling, IMHO.

Show me where I wrote anything like that.

I wrote that, contrary to making digital music from scratch, which is now doable by anyone anywhere, recording is still reserved to the elite who has the money, hardware & knowledge.
Are you saying that it's not true, that you CAN get proper recordings in the middle of a city with no money & technical knowledge? You'll have to explain that to the many who are making -audio- tutorial videos with the worst possible sound.
What can you record inexpensively? An electric guitar, and..?

Most of the young bands consist most of the time of guitar, bass, drums and vocal

Even just to PERFORM/train, you need to own a dedicated place with little neighborhood. There is no way any band would be able to train anywhere in the place I live in, and that excludes a lot of people in the world.

[trimph1]

I have a barn. Does that count?

But, yeah, I see gol's point here. You could find yourself in a whole heap of trouble trying to record a full band in an apartment.

We used to do that kind of stunt at lease-breaking parties....

[Kriminal]

What can you record inexpensively? An electric guitar, and..?

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine
Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

[Kriminal]

I have a barn. Does that count?

But, yeah, I see gol's point here. You could find yourself in a whole heap of trouble trying to record a full band in an apartment.

I doubt many fruity loops users are recording full bands....

[trimph1]

I have a barn. Does that count?

But, yeah, I see gol's point here. You could find yourself in a whole heap of trouble trying to record a full band in an apartment.

I doubt many fruity loops users are recording full bands....

True. They be ITB all the way...

[tony tony chopper]

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine

it's safe to say that it's what plugin now do, no?

Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

come on..
in 15 years we've hired people to make tutorial videos for us. We're talking professionals here, and even here the audio recording was generally horrible (even worse when they tried to gate the noise in-between words). It's only recent that we have proper audio recordings, and that's because Scott is a mic fetishist (he really is), and has built his own studio.

The soundcard or anything after the mic isn't even the problem.
All you need is to pick a random youtube video to realize that recording audio is anything but easy.