Why doesn't Sound on Sound mag. have an FL Studio section?

[Chopper]

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine

it's safe to say that it's what plugin now do, no?

Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

come on..
in 15 years we've hired people to make tutorial videos for us. We're talking professionals here, and even here the audio recording was generally horrible (even worse when they tried to gate the noise in-between words). It's only recent that we have proper audio recordings, and that's because Scott is a mic fetishist (he really is), and has built his own studio.

The soundcard or anything after the mic isn't even the problem.
All you need is to pick a random youtube video to realize that recording audio is anything but easy.

thanks god we now have access to professional softwares to help us with that. you should try them sometimes...

[trimph1]

Well....trying to get any kind of fidelity out of YouTube is going to be rough. It is all compressed up the wazoo anyway...

[trimph1]

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine

it's safe to say that it's what plugin now do, no?

Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

come on..
in 15 years we've hired people to make tutorial videos for us. We're talking professionals here, and even here the audio recording was generally horrible (even worse when they tried to gate the noise in-between words). It's only recent that we have proper audio recordings, and that's because Scott is a mic fetishist (he really is), and has built his own studio.

The soundcard or anything after the mic isn't even the problem.
All you need is to pick a random youtube video to realize that recording audio is anything but easy.

thanks god we now have access to professional softwares to help us with that. you should try them sometimes...

FL is a "toy", right?

[Chopper]

FL is a "toy", right?

before reacting that typical fanboy way, do you understand what i was replying to???

[tony tony chopper]

thanks god we now have access to professional softwares to help us with that. you should try them sometimes...

Edison's denoiser is licensed from iZotope, can you beat that?
& yet, it's not gonna do miracles & fully denoise something that hasn't been recorded in a proper studio to start with.

[Hink]

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine

it's safe to say that it's what plugin now do, no?

Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

come on..
in 15 years we've hired people to make tutorial videos for us. We're talking professionals here, and even here the audio recording was generally horrible (even worse when they tried to gate the noise in-between words). It's only recent that we have proper audio recordings, and that's because Scott is a mic fetishist (he really is), and has built his own studio.

The soundcard or anything after the mic isn't even the problem.
All you need is to pick a random youtube video to realize that recording audio is anything but easy.

I guess that depends on who you are, the two top amps (btw this is just a part of my amp collection) were custome built for me with my specs to create an awesome modular tube amp system by Jim Frenzel (scroll down for my soundclip and review). No one here has said that recording audio is easy, and tbh I was going to stay away from this thread until I read that comment. I dont want anything to be easy, but I wlll say that I walk away very proud when Frenzel amps decides my recordingas are good enough to post my review and soundclip on their page.

My speakers for the iso cab



my collection of tubes because the main power amp in my rig can use any octal based tubes



no pics of my mics but I have all the mics I need (though I do want an e906), but to sum it...some of us have put years and even decades into learning how to record audio and tbh when we say that we really like FL but we do not find the recording of audio to be intuitive that is not a slam against FL, it's from years of experience of works best for us. It is no reflection on your awesome work gol...it's simply a fact that cannot be disputed by anyone else.

It's lovely all these people make so much money using FL, I am not in it for money...I play because it's my passion and that is the case with many, many more people. People gol, who have spent as much time learning what is best for them and developing their own habits, work flows and preferences as you have spent building FL.

I think people who praise FL but point out the one flaw that does not go along with their workflow deserves a little more respect than to have someone who doesn't really know us from a hole in the wall might know better what works for us.

Jees, this crap here at KvR is getting old fast, I for one am damn sick of people telling me what is best for me. After almost 44 years in this game I have a good idea what is best for me and for recording audio FL is not nor never has been the best answer...why cant people respect that?

[BMoore]

thanks god we now have access to professional softwares to help us with that. you should try them sometimes...

Edison's denoiser is licensed from iZotope, can you beat that?
& yet, it's not gonna do miracles & fully denoise something that hasn't been recorded in a proper studio to start with.

And still your hired professionals couldn't make proper audio recordings without a mic fetishist and his new studio?!

[Chopper]

no pics of my mics but I have all the mics I need (though I do want an e906), but to sum it...some of us have put years and even decades into learning how to record audio and tbh when we say that we really like FL but we do not find the recording of audio to be intuitive that is not a slam against FL, it's from years of experience of works best for us. It is no reflection on your awesome work gol...it's simply a fact that cannot be disputed by anyone else.

It's lovely all these people make so much money using FL, I am not in it for money...I play because it's my passion and that is the case with many, many more people. People gol, who have spent as much time learning what is best for them and developing their own habits, work flows and preferences as you have spent building FL.

I think people who praise FL but point out the one flaw that does not go along with their workflow deserves a little more respect than to have someone who doesn't really know us from a hole in the wall might know better what works for us.

Jees, this crap here at KvR is getting old fast, I for one am damn sick of people telling me what is best for me. After almost 44 years in this game I have a good idea what is best for me and for recording audio FL is not nor never has been the best answer...why cant people respect that?

that was my point too, only i couldn't be bothered to put it as well as that...


we are not your average FL bashers, guys,
we are stating that it is just not for us. as it isn't suitable for most recording engineers. simple. there is more appropriate tools for that.
and attacking us with EDM artists names just renforce that. i could give a list of jazz artists recorded on Protools, but that will mean nothing to your average customers. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.


having someone from Imageline telling me that I should go out more because i do not care or know about the music scene of his average customer is, on the other hand, not very professional...

[tony tony chopper]

And still your hired professionals couldn't make proper audio recordings without a mic fetishist and his new studio?!

Judge by yourself, does this sound any good to you? Do you even think this has to do with the software, or that this got recorded into an audio sequencer? No software can fix this.



I think this one is the worst in our archive, with the constant background noise.

[Chopper]

yep. you are not sound engineers, we got that...
did you get my point in my previous post, by the way???

[Hink]

no pics of my mics but I have all the mics I need (though I do want an e906), but to sum it...some of us have put years and even decades into learning how to record audio and tbh when we say that we really like FL but we do not find the recording of audio to be intuitive that is not a slam against FL, it's from years of experience of works best for us. It is no reflection on your awesome work gol...it's simply a fact that cannot be disputed by anyone else.

It's lovely all these people make so much money using FL, I am not in it for money...I play because it's my passion and that is the case with many, many more people. People gol, who have spent as much time learning what is best for them and developing their own habits, work flows and preferences as you have spent building FL.

I think people who praise FL but point out the one flaw that does not go along with their workflow deserves a little more respect than to have someone who doesn't really know us from a hole in the wall might know better what works for us.

Jees, this crap here at KvR is getting old fast, I for one am damn sick of people telling me what is best for me. After almost 44 years in this game I have a good idea what is best for me and for recording audio FL is not nor never has been the best answer...why cant people respect that?

that was my point too, only i couldn't be bothered to put it as well as that...


we are not your average FL bashers, guys,
we are stating that it is just not for us. as it isn't suitable for most recording engineers. simple. there is more appropriate tools for that.
and attacking us with EDM artists names just renforce that. i could give a list of jazz artists recorded on Protools, but that will mean nothing to your average customers. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.


having someone from Imageline telling me that I should go out more because i do not care or know about the music scene of his average customer is, on the other hand, not very professional...

exactly, myself I was so impressed with FL I bought a second license for my son...Iwouldn't do that and then bash it.

A mechanic does not make his living with a crescent wrench (or adjustable wrench as it's commonly called), FL is but one tool in my toolbox.

FWIW I dont go out to the music scene for several reasons. The number one being I dont want my ears to take the abuse, but also I no longer do well in large crowds either. For some reason that always make me less serious a musician than other people. But you know what? If that's how people need to feel to progress along their path it's no sweat off my back

[Kriminal]

Synthesizer/Keyboard etc
Drum Machine

it's safe to say that it's what plugin now do, no?

So everyone who has any outboard hardware should stop recording it because then can do it all with fruity loops?

Vocals (or any sound thru a mic)

You can get a decent soundcard and mic pretty cheap.

come on..
in 15 years we've hired people to make tutorial videos for us. We're talking professionals here, and even here the audio recording was generally horrible (even worse when they tried to gate the noise in-between words). It's only recent that we have proper audio recordings, and that's because Scott is a mic fetishist (he really is), and has built his own studio.

The soundcard or anything after the mic isn't even the problem.
All you need is to pick a random youtube video to realize that recording audio is anything but easy.

i would suggest you need some diff 'professionals' who actually know what they are doing.

As for YT, most ppl record on their bloody phones

[tony tony chopper]

So everyone who has any outboard hardware should stop recording it because then can do it all with fruity loops?

I think that's what everyone who's not a hardware fetishist is already doing, using plugins to do the same thing, if not much better.

[tooneba]

Doesn't Pro Tools have complete capability to record audio in a commercial studio with avid gears? Why would all other DAWs should mimic PT's recording capability and end up providing second class recording environment? Is it what you really want from all DAW developers? I understand there should be "poor man's" PT to let it fill a gap in the market. But you need to understand that not all DAW companies will use their developing resource into just mimicking PT to fill a gap in the market.

No matter how hard you try to become top DAW in the niche recording market you never be able to beat avid. At the same time, you'll lose chance to become Top selling DAW in the market because you wasted your developing resource into making second class recorder. It's up to developing policy.

[Hink]

Doesn't Pro Tools have complete capability to record audio in a commercial studio with avid gears? Why would all other DAWs should mimic PT's recording capability and end up providing second class recording environment? Is it what you really want from all DAW developers? I understand there should be "poor man's" PT to let it fill a gap in the market. But you need to understand that not all DAW companies will use their developing resource into just mimicking PT to fill a gap in the market.

No matter how hard you try to become top DAW in the niche recording market you never be able to beat avid. At the same time, you'll lose chance to become Top selling DAW in the market because you wasted your developing resource into making second class recorder. It's up to developing policy.

there is no gap in the market, there are plenty of hosts that record audio quite well and I wouldn't even say that PT is the best software for recording audio. That's why more than just AVID has hardware with multiple inputs and outputs (my rig is two presonus firestudios daisy chained for 16 analog ins, 16 outs plus a bunch of digital in/outs, I think combined it's like 38/38) and fwiw I use samp pro x. If you read the posts here, folk like me who do both sequencing and live audio recording are not asking FL to mimic anything nor are we dissing them. I am not asking for them to improve their handling of the audio recording process at all. The only point being made that seems to always get some upset is audio recording it's not FL's strong point. Sorry I am into archaic things like punching

I really will never understand why IL gets so upset by these things but they always do, no one is saying you cannot record audio in FL, you surely can. Adobe bought Cool Edit Pro and turned it into Audition, and at that time that is all AA did. AA tried to introduce midi and it did not go over well, because they did audio best and they seemed to handle that without such drama (best for them, not saying they are the best). In fact back when I did use FL and AA combined as one DAW I could use rewire, run FL as a vsti or even use a macro to make AA my default editor and I use to call that the best of both worlds.

So there is no gap in the market, there is no reason to argue, one size does not fit all. Sadly this scenario plays out all the time and this is coming from someone who primarily records audio, does some sequencing, has been recording audio for decades and is an active supporter of FL and of course an FL user. Sadly it seems my not being completely devoted seems to make some kind of infidel when it comes to FL which once again gets played out with other infidels all the time.

For me FL is not as intuitive for recording audio and I have a lot invested into recording my guitars live so using the software that suits my workflow best is the most logical thing for me (just me), having done this for decades I have a good idea of what works for me. I am not alone in this though as you can see, why this bothers IL so much I have no clue. It's not about FL, it's about the user and what works best for the user. We're not dissing IL but they are doing their best to diss us for being infidels