Wolfgang Palm WaveMapper 2 is out for PC and MAC

[thetechnobear]

If you express it as a formula it would be like this:
Wavemapper 2 = Wavegenerator + additional features + nicer GUI - wavetable/waveform editor

Id agree with that, currently I use wavegenerator for experimenting with waveforms and the paths. but use wavemapper from there on.

Its a pity the waveform editor tab/functions are not in wavemapper, perhaps unlocked by your wavegenerator license. but, its easy enough to have both running in different tracks in the DAW and use side by side.

[PietW.]

Because a copy protection software not buy? What's that for a statement?

It's a good statement! It says: I don't want to be treated like a potential criminal.
I don't buy C/R myself either. If I buy something, I want to be able to install it without asking permission to do so (authorization server).

We are monitored everywhere. Facebook collects, the email provider collects, KVR perhaps also collects. Whenever you use the Internet we are monitored and stored.
But your grumbles on a server Authorization? Come on, guys.

[chk071]

Because a copy protection software not buy? What's that for a statement?

It's a good statement! It says: I don't want to be treated like a potential criminal.

Do you also feel like a criminal when you need to process the door bell, because the door you stand in front of is locked? These measures are not there to hassle the honest people, but to make it difficult for those who are not. Honest people don't need speed limits too, because they don't rush through the city, jeopardizing children. All these measure are only there because of people who think they can do what they want, and take what is loose.

[arakula]

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion on that matter.

I can see both sides of the argument - the honest consumer who doesn't like to be treated like a potential criminal, living with the possibility that the authorization server goes offline one fine day, together with the company; and the software writer who has to deal with the constant possibility of some little shit cracking his software, resulting in a sharp 99% income loss because humans are an opportunistic species and most will gladly take the cracked version. C/R is a way to prevent that - of course, said little shit could still reverse-engineer large parts of the code to remove all the associated mechanisms, but that's work. Much more so than a keygen. A serial number scheme requires a lot of trust from the developer into his customers - warranted by most, but unfortunately not by all.

I wish there was a better solution that suits both sides equally well. I just can't see any; HW dongles are even worse in my opinion.
There's just too many bastards out there...

[T-CM11]

We are monitored everywhere. Facebook collects, the email provider collects, KVR perhaps also collects. Whenever you use the Internet we are monitored and stored.
But your grumbles on a server Authorization? Come on, guys.

Houses get robbed every day, but you grumble when someone steals your wallet? Come on, there's a big flaw in your logic.
Besides, I keep real private things offline.

[Ingonator]

For those who got Wavegenerator there is also a method to solve the limited waveforms in Wavegenerator wavetables created with the free Audio Term wavetable tool. Usually wavetables in Audio Term contain only 33 waves but you could use the "Append" feature in the Wavegenerator editor which adds the waveforms of loaded wavetables to the current ones instead of overwriting existing waveforms. This way it is possible to create a full wavetable of 256 based on wavetables created with Audio Term (e.g. by import of single cycle waveforms from WAV files).

The final result could then be saved as a new wavetable and imported into Wavemapper 2.

This I have already combined a few wavetables that were created in Audio Term using my own single cycle WAv files creted mostly with DNR Wave Designer. I plan to create a kind of "Best Of" wavetable with 256 waveforms from my own collection.

[T-CM11]

Because a copy protection software not buy? What's that for a statement?

It's a good statement! It says: I don't want to be treated like a potential criminal.

Do you also feel like a criminal when you need to process the door bell, because the door you stand in front of is locked? These measures are not there to hassle the honest people, but to make it difficult for those who are not. Honest people don't need speed limits too, because they don't rush through the city, jeopardizing children. All these measure are only there because of people who think they can do what they want, and take what is loose.

- Doors are not only for protection against burglars, but also provide privacy. Someone else's house is not mine, while I consider the software I bought, mine. (for personal use of course)
- Thus honest people are not affected by speed limits. Bad example again.
Do you have proof that developers have more sales when they use C/R than if they would use a simple serial number?
Anyway... I understand the software's developer's POV, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I give my money to the ones that don't use C/R. Good for those guys, and that's good, right?

[chk071]

- Doors are not only for protection against burglars, but also provide privacy. Someone else's house is not mine, while I consider the software I bought, mine. (for personal use of course)

Well it isn't. You only purchase the license to use it. The software itself remains property of the people who wrote the software.

[ChamomileShark]

Reading through I can see why someone with Wavegenerator might want to add Wavemapper2 - however if wavemapper2 can import wavetaables created in Serum (which I've just got) I'm not so sure of the plusses re getting the bundle.

Anyone know if Wavemapper2 can import wavetables created in Serum?

My other question is if there is a difference in the factory wavetables between wavemapper and wavegenerator - that would be another reason for me to get the bundle.

Any other things Wavegenerator has got that wavemapper2 hasn't?

[T-CM11]

- Doors are not only for protection against burglars, but also provide privacy. Someone else's house is not mine, while I consider the software I bought, mine. (for personal use of course)

Well it isn't. You only purchase the license to use it. The software itself remains property of the people who wrote the software.

Same difference.... If I own that license to use it, I should be able to use it whenever I want, without asking permission when something has changed in my PC.

[Ingonator]

Reading through I can see why someone with Wavegenerator might want to add Wavemapper2 - however if wavemapper2 can import wavetaables created in Serum (which I've just got) I'm not so sure of the plusses re getting the bundle.

Anyone know if Wavemapper2 can import wavetables created in Serum?

My other question is if there is a difference in the factory wavetables between wavemapper and wavegenerator - that would be another reason for me to get the bundle.

Any other things Wavegenerator has got that wavemapper2 hasn't?

As i already tried to point out my ultimate combination i Wavemapper 2, Wavegeneraor, the free Audio Term wavetable editor (could export Wavegenerator wavetables), Wavelab Elements 7 for editing waveforms + samples and the discontinued DNR Wave Designer for creating my own waveforms (e.g. from the formula editor).

As i just tried to explain neither Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 could create wavetables from multiple single cycle WAv files while you could do that in Audio Term (with teh compatible format). While Audio Term is limited to 33 waveforms you could connetct multiple of those wavetables in the editor of Wavegenerator using the "Append" feature.

So besides creating wavetables directly in Wavegenerator a "typical" worklflow for me is like this:
1.) Create waveforms in e.g. DNR Wave Designer, usually with the formula editor (or other sources)
2.) further convert and/or edit waveforms in Wavelab Elements 7 (e.g. convert to 16-bit by batch conversion and add loop points)
3.) create a Wavegenerator wavetable in Audio Term (up to 33 waveforms + with possible interpolations)
4.) either dircetly use that wavetable in Wavemapper 2 or
5.) use thr "Append" feature in Wavegenerator to connect multiple smaller wavetables to a bigger one (up to 256 waveforms
6.) use that new wavetable in Wavemapper 2 and/or Wavegenerator

1.) to 3.) also works with other Audio Term output formats like e.g. WAV wavetable (including a compatible format for Waves Complex which is 32-bit float, 512 samples wave size and 64 waveforms with 31 waveforms added by interpolation), DUNE 2 and Blofeld.


I also tried to import wavetables from the Serum demo. In the default format the waveform use 2048 samples whuiich seems to be to much and the default format is 32-bit which does not work in Wavemapper 2. Converting Serum wavetables to 16-bit and reducing the waveform size to 512 samples (= 25%) seems to work to good results when the resulting WAv file is imported in the Analyzer of Wavemapper 2.

[T-CM11]

As i just tried to explain neither Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 could create wavetables from multiple single cycle WAv files ...

I only have the iPad versions of both. In the iPad version of WG I can load an image as wavetable. So, string a few single cycle WAV files together, convert that to an image*, and load it into WG.

*I have an iPad app that does that - but don't remember the name atm.

[Ingonator]

As i just tried to explain neither Wavegenerator or Wavemapper 2 could create wavetables from multiple single cycle WAv files ...

I only have the iPad versions of both. In the iPad version of WG I can load an image as wavetable. So, string a few single cycle WAV files together, convert that to an image*, and load it into WG.

*I have an iPad app that does that - but don't remember the name atm.

Yep, the image import in Wavegenerator could be helpful too but i admit i have not used it much yet. As i already got a quite big collection of single cycle waveforms and got DNR Wave Designer to create own wavefoms my favorite way so far is the one mentioned above.
With the ways i mentined yours and maybe others there are multiple ways how to create wavetables for both Wavegenerator and Wavemapper 2.
The most simple one in Wavemapper 2 without using many additional tools (except maybe one to change the sample format) is just to import a sample by resynthsis.

[KingTuck]

Because a copy protection software not buy? What's that for a statement?

It's a good statement! It says: I don't want to be treated like a potential criminal.
I don't buy C/R myself either. If I buy something, I want to be able to install it without asking permission to do so (authorization server).

We are monitored everywhere. Facebook collects, the email provider collects, KVR perhaps also collects. Whenever you use the Internet we are monitored and stored.
But your grumbles on a server Authorization? Come on, guys.

False comparison. Nobody is groaning about C/R because of a distaste towards information collection. I dislike it because, god forbid, should Wolfgang's authorization servers go down, I want to still be able to use my products. Or if I want to install it on my laptop AND my desktop, I don't want to contact support to wait for another key to do so. Same situation if my computer crashes. If you're just trying to say that there are bigger things to worry about than C/R authorization, you have to allow for that same logic to apply to both this argument and others in your life. "There are people suffering in *insert third world country* but your complaining about a plugin crashing your DAW after 2 hours of use? Come on.". You should see why that makes your argument look silly. It's a false comparison.

Because a copy protection software not buy? What's that for a statement?

It's a good statement! It says: I don't want to be treated like a potential criminal.

Do you also feel like a criminal when you need to process the door bell, because the door you stand in front of is locked? These measures are not there to hassle the honest people, but to make it difficult for those who are not. Honest people don't need speed limits too, because they don't rush through the city, jeopardizing children. All these measure are only there because of people who think they can do what they want, and take what is loose.

I understand the point of C/R. In theory it has the potential of being harder to crack/reverse engineer but only if this type of copy protection worked 100% of the time would that be a valid reason to implement it. Or if there weren't less intrusive copy protection schemes that worked equally well. It happens out that most of the time these copy protection schemes do get cracked, and then the user is in an unfortunate position. They paid for the product and the person who just pirated it gets a less troublesome experience using the product. They can install it on as many computers as they want. Never need to authorize nothing. Never need no internet connection, etc etc. But again, that possibility is barely worth entertaining when companies like u-he (Dune 2 is in the same boat) use a simple serial number and have their products remain protected and free of piracy.

If your cool with C/R that's fine. Or cool with other copy protection like it, that's fine. Whatever your into or cool with, just go with it. I got no problem with that. I'm just not generally into copy protection schemes like this. Different strokes, y'know? Don't act like it's unreasonable to pass on a product because you dislike how a company protects their product, it's perfectly reasonable.

It's not really much of a debate. Again, different strokes, y'know?

[thetechnobear]

what options are there for mac users for creating waveforms?
(Ive got audio term running via crossover, but not figured it out yet)
… wavegenerator is ok, but its a bit fiddly with mouse, given no zoom feature, and not many tools to smooth curves, etc.


also are there any good sources for waveforms?