Why doesn't Sound on Sound mag. have an FL Studio section?

[T-CM11]

Fruity Boobs? Must've missed that one...

[Hink]

Fruity Boobs? Must've missed that one...

as I recall IL started out making 'adult' video games

[jancivil]

Pointing to 'power users' is absolutely marketing, whether they were paid or not, or whatever their involvement.

That's what I said, "pointing power users" is marketing, the existence of those power users is NOT marketing (it could have been a case of sponsorship, but it's not).
Someone wrote "I could care less about X using the software because that's marketing", that can only mean one thing, "I could care less because it's not true". The only other valid answer was "I could care less about those people who use it, because I don't like/respect them", but that's not what was said.

And be honest, who has NOT started making music because of some artist(s) he liked? If X influenced your music, and X used something, would you say "I don't care because it's just marketing"?

Oh, ok.

Well... I kind of, more or less switched focus from drums to guitar because Jimi Hendrix, and through that I thought a Stratocaster was for me, but I didn't start 'making music' out of any one thing, I banged on things and my father bought me a drum when I was like 8, and then better drums as I remained interested. I bought Cubase in Guitar Center one day knowing nothing about it, another customer said 'no, this is what you want'. The things your marketing guy is doing in this thread shores up my POV about FL, avicii sold a zillion something (vs Mozart ), I think that's your market essentially and I'm not them.

I'm neutral about marketing, I'm a skeptic I hope, but 'Power Users' (or super popularity of an 'artist') doesn't do anything for me, either.

[tony tony chopper]

I am my own man with my own style and the intelligence to decide what gear fits me best.

& how do you decide what works best - do you buy everything just to try it?
Generally people have a goal in mind, and look at the tools out there that have been used to achieve similar goals. If a tool allowed doing something, then you know that you can do it too. Another tool may or may not allow the same thing, but it's a risk to take.

I do not pay for names and I wont pay for pay for names² like signature models of guitars and other gear.

you're talking about paid sponsorship again, this is not. There are DJs in that list that make more money in 2 hours that I would make in my entire life, so if you think there's anything we could give them to endorse FL..

[SJ_Digriz]

& how do you decide what works best - do you buy everything just to try it?

That's the service brick and mortars used to serve. The internet is awesome for price promotion, but terrible for tangible experience. Some high end places still do so, and to a large degree, without hyping one thing over another. It is spec + need consulting. However, as margin is removed, knowledgeable consulting is replaced almost exclusively with "associative" marketing.

EDIT: Famous person X uses product Y has no practical information about the products suitability to YOU. I can't tell you how many "famous" people love tools that are bizarrely impractical in a scenario outside their custom made environment.

[tony tony chopper]

Personally, I'm not choosing a tool directly because of a name, but because of a showcase, thus indirectly because of whoever made it. That's why I think one of the most important things in FL is the demo songs. You try an app, you suck at it, it's always tempting to conclude "it must be the app", that's where it's important to have a good showcase.

EDIT: Famous person X uses product Y has no practical information about the products suitability to YOU.

Yeah it does. Not because of the person, but because of what he has *done*.
Unless you started music only to do experimental stuff, but that's not many people.

[jancivil]

For instance, I got into VSL through someone I had worked with being a long time user (actually at the time a kind of pissed-off user moving from their Gigastudio product to their engine and not getting any break), although the first thing I bought was Vienna Suite, their 'mastering suite'; after watching the videos which made a lot of sense and it was a really good deal at that moment. I read things here about eg., IKMM T-Racks, a group buy comes a long and that's not a terrific risk, and certain things out of that experience were really satisfactory. When I first got a lot of software, I bought it in Guitar Center after talking to people I grew to know more and more. I think I was influenced some by Native Instruments marketing, but facts-based marketing. I have some background in electronic music (real electronic music ) and I understood from things Absynth does. If I was fantastically well-heeled in the late '80's I would have followed Zappa into Synclavier probably, but today who uses a thing is not of much moment to me.

[SJ_Digriz]

Personally, I'm not choosing a tool directly because of a name, but because of a showcase, thus indirectly because of whoever made it. That's why I think one of the most important things in FL is the demo songs. You try an app, you suck at it, it's always tempting to conclude "it must be the app", that's where it's important to have a good showcase.

My thought is that demo songs don't tell if the creation of those demo songs will be something you can achieve on your own ..

Here's an example .. I love Mike Oldfield guitar tones (I know .. it's an acquired taste). And, he has a gear list that he endorses either purposefully or accidentally. However, the process and chain of that gear is so stupendously convoluted and impracticable for most people, that approaching those tones via HIS gear is virtually impossible.

In other words, it does me no good to know what gear Mike likes.

[jancivil]

EDIT: Famous person X uses product Y has no practical information about the products suitability to YOU.

Yeah it does. Not because of the person, but because of what he has *done*.

Digriz's point regarding practicality is sidestepped here. None of the software I use was bought following a known artist. Around here, you know, 'avicii' mentioned has a depressing effect if anything. Although I already assess the appeal of FL from its users remarks in here. The musicians I follow, their preference in software? I don't know what they use, it doesn't occur to me to investigate it. No one is featuring them. This is the only 'gear' forum I use. "avicii" (not focused on that, it's in front of me atm and I don't remember names well) typifies this behavior and I'm nothing like that kind of user. So you have a kind of tunnel vision here, not that that's going to hurt you, it is what it is.

[jancivil]

Yeah, my idea of a great guitar tone today is Michael Landau. He has a terrifically complex chain that I'm just not going to do, I would rather see about my own thing anyway. I think this 'famous person/power user' focus is for young people, actually.

[Kriminal]

I am my own man with my own style and the intelligence to decide what gear fits me best.

& how do you decide what works best - do you buy everything just to try it?
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No, you try it first. Either in a shop, or download a demo if its software. Pretty obvious really.

[Kriminal]

I think this 'famous person/power user' focus is for young people, actually.

Yep, the easily influenced....

[tony tony chopper]

No, you try it first. Either in a shop, or download a demo if its software. Pretty obvious really.

What can you know from trying something for a few minutes in a shop?
If that was how everyone does, I don't think anyone would have started playing guitar, because all a 5 min test of a guitar in a shop would tell a noob, is that guitar is hard and he sucks at it.

It's the same with software. If you're new to sequencers, you can try them all, you will suck at them all. However, projects that have been made using them will tell you what's possible to do with them, and will assure you that you won't be wasting your time learning something that can't do what you were aiming at. Would you rather take a leap of faith? Some do (or new apps wouldn't get any user), but that's risky.

[tony tony chopper]

I think this 'famous person/power user' focus is for young people, actually.

Yep, the easily influenced....

do you know what the top 10 most expensive guitars have in common? Names. And I don't think that any kid has bought a $1-million guitar.

[Kriminal]

No, you try it first. Either in a shop, or download a demo if its software. Pretty obvious really.

What can you know from trying something for a few minutes in a shop?

You cant, thats why you spend much longer trying it, and going back a few times to keep trying it.