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annode · Post by **annode** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:19 am

Unless each track is corrected in it`s own way,(if correction is possible),it will always sound as if it were recorded in a club atmosphere,like a live lounge band recording.

Even though Hanafih did a good job with it,it`s just not possible to get the room ambience out of it as one stereo track.

It`s alway best not to have room ambience recorded along with the instrument/vocal,cause you can`t always control it,and it`s difficult to remove it.

Room characteristics will always give you unpredictable results,because of bad phasing.
If you mic,then go by the book`!Read about proper micing.

If you post each track separately,I and maybe others,that have software, can clean the room ambience from them so they can be properly RE-effected.

kara · Post by **kara** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:07 pm

annode wrote:Actually,I will need each track mp3 as separate downloads.
I can`t work with it as one stereo download.

Is this possible for you?

yes, no problem.
This evening I will make a zip of all tracks and upload it.

Thank you very much for your offer

Rony

kara · Post by **kara** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:19 pm

HanafiH wrote:This is the best I could make out of the original with an hours effort. The original is nearer being really good than it at first appears. EQ, compression, reverb and panning. I like this song.

master1x.mp3

Hi HanfiH

It sounds way better that what I did. No you put me for another mystery

How do you manage to add panning to a mix that is allready done

I sure have a lot of learning to do

I'm at the office at the moment, but will upload a zip with the track this evening.

Thanks a lot

Rony

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:22 am

bucodi wrote:
HanafiH wrote:This is the best I could make out of the original with an hours effort. The original is nearer being really good than it at first appears. EQ, compression, reverb and panning. I like this song.

master1x.mp3
Hi HanfiH

It sounds way better that what I did. No you put me for another mystery
How do you manage to add panning to a mix that is allready done
I sure have a lot of learning to do

I'm at the office at the moment, but will upload a zip with the track this evening.

Thanks a lot

Rony

I didn't change the panning. I was muttering in to my beard that's what you need to correct in another mix. My opinion is that you have too little compression on the individual elements of the song (sax and vocal etc) co you end up mixing everything too hot in order to get the balance of the soundstage right.

The stuff annode has been saying is dead right.

And I've been humming that dratted melody all day.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:37 am

I like your original mix best!
Just the vocals would've to be centered IMO. Plus, perhaps the bass could be played with an upright sound, as Ixox allready mentioned.

Personally, while those things are interesting, I don't think HanafiH's treatments enhance the song's style but somewhat take away that club style quality (which I like a lot).

A really nice tune!!! Just don't fuzz around too much with the mix, it's great! Whenever you do something in another style, you may perhaps ask again for tips, but for this tune it's almost exactly what it should be like!

kara · Post by **kara** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:29 am

annode wrote:Unless each track is corrected in it`s own way,(if correction is possible),it will always sound as if it were recorded in a club atmosphere,like a live lounge band recording.

Even though Hanafih did a good job with it,it`s just not possible to get the room ambience out of it as one stereo track.

It`s alway best not to have room ambience recorded along with the instrument/vocal,cause you can`t always control it,and it`s difficult to remove it.

Room characteristics will always give you unpredictable results,because of bad phasing.
If you mic,then go by the book`!Read about proper micing.

If you post each track separately,I and maybe others,that have software, can clean the room ambience from them so they can be properly RE-effected.

I've uploaded a zip file, containing all the tracks.
It's here :
www.bucodi.com/rony/tracksmp3.zip

Rony

kara · Post by **kara** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:32 am

Sascha Franck wrote:I like your original mix best!
Just the vocals would've to be centered IMO. Plus, perhaps the bass could be played with an upright sound, as Ixox allready mentioned.

Personally, while those things are interesting, I don't think HanafiH's treatments enhance the song's style but somewhat take away that club style quality (which I like a lot).

A really nice tune!!! Just don't fuzz around too much with the mix, it's great! Whenever you do something in another style, you may perhaps ask again for tips, but for this tune it's almost exactly what it should be like!

Thanks Sasha,

I'm realy amazed how much people like the tune

It is the first time I record something so this is all quit new to me and I'm trying to learn the details of mixing and use of effects.

Rony

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:53 am

love the lofi sound of this
wish the vocal was centered, as well
and add the touch of upright bass and this would
be killer stuff.

annode · Post by **annode** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:03 am

Ok,I dloaded the tracks.
I`ll work with it today.7/3/04

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:34 pm

Just a tip to bucodi: I you want to share tracks with people, it's easier using WMA compressed tracks. MP3 adds some silence when reconverting to wave and that way lining up things is getting tougher. With MP3 you usually need a count in to line things up properly.
IMO the best converter for such tasks is dbpoweramp which is free and can be found here: www.dbpoweramp.com

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:19 pm

tracksmp3.mp3

Well, this is how I like it.

PS. If you listen carefully to the solo vox, there’s a harsh metallic ringing distortion in the tails. This is characteristic of digital hardware where machines are running at different sampling frequencies (44.1 and 48 say). You should check, I would guess, somewhere like between the pre-amp and the soundcard. If you can’t up sample to the same speed, go analog.

danielmm · Post by **danielmm** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:38 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:
I like your original mix best!
Just the vocals would've to be centered IMO. Plus, perhaps the bass could be played with an upright sound, as Ixox allready mentioned.

Personally, while those things are interesting, I don't think HanafiH's treatments enhance the song's style but somewhat take away that club style quality (which I like a lot).

A really nice tune!!! Just don't fuzz around too much with the mix, it's great! Whenever you do something in another style, you may perhaps ask again for tips, but for this tune it's almost exactly what it should be like!

Thanks Sasha,

I'm realy amazed how much people like the tune

It is the first time I record something so this is all quit new to me and I'm trying to learn the details of mixing and use of effects.

Rony

Rony,

I have to say that I agree with Sasha whole heartedly here. Although all your mixes should not necessarily sound like this one, it definately suites this song....minus the vocal panned to far left.

This is really a lesson in artistic interpretation and uniqueness. I like the smokey club feel of the original...and I like the fact that you didn't really know what you were doing when you mixed it.

Try your hand at another song and see the difference between the 2. You will quickly see what turning this knob does to the sound.

dano

annode · Post by **annode** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:20 am

Hey there bucodi.

Finished up a remix just for the fun of it...like the song!

ftp://u35853296:priapism@s94571761.onli ... _remix.mp3

It`s late night here now...but i`ll post all the repaired files with pictures showing what I did to them later today.

Hope you like the mix!!!

Barry.
PS: Crackles were intended to be like an old record.

kara · Post by **kara** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:21 am

Hi Annode and Hanafih,

Jesus, it is incredible what you did with the track

Now me (the autor of the song) and my wive (the vocals) are divided

I love the retro version, it is how I imagined the song when I wrote it, sung in a smokey jazz club. My wive love the clean version, which is for here the perfect mix.

Where I'm bluffed is what the both of you achieved to do with the vox.
I would love to have some explinations on what you did.

And allso on the placement of the tracks in the space. I have big problems with that. On both tracks you made, you hear the singer in the midle of the band like it should be

I want to thank both you very much

Pm me and I'll send you a bottle of french champagne

Rony

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:39 am

bucodi wrote: Where I'm bluffed is what the both of you achieved to do with the vox.
I would love to have some explinations on what you did.
Rony

Your wife, who has a lovely French voice, sings about an octave lower than most western voices. This puts an awful lot of energy into the ‘tubby’ zone 250Hz-350Hz where she places the power in her vocal expression. Her best tones are about an octave higher. Now I adjusted her voice with a bit of EQ and some very gentle compression. You could get exactly the same effect by getting her to stand about 3-4cms further back from the mic - and it’ll sound much more natural. Look at pictures of Edit Piaf singing live: a whole meter of air was usually required.

You can’t afford champagne bucodi. Thanks for the privelege of letting me work your stuff. If you ever compose and produce as much sheer and utter crap as I have, you’ll know how to make it sound good, sheer and utter crap.

First mix and it sounds wrong