iZotope Iris 2

[Sampleconstruct]

Furthermore the entire Macro assignments and the Macro labelling is lost after the conversion, so is the Modwheel assignment, the only thing that seems to translate is the spectral selection and the loop points. So in a patch that formerly had complex amplitude and filter modulations assigned to the Modwheel now doesn't modulate at all when turning the wheel.

So what is preserved: filter types, activated FX modules, spectral selections. If the FX section formerly was set to "Send" the FX will be muted in the new patch. And the x/y-pad has been dropped totally, only 8 tiny Macro knobs are left which do nothing after the conversion of a patch although they have values displayed. Epic failure!

Again it's more about eye-candy than functionality.

[Sampleconstruct]

I'm no programmer but looking inside an iris patch there are a load of parameter settings.

In the new format they look like this:

<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Chorus_Depth" Value="86.99935150" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Chorus_Feedback" Value="12.87064457" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Chorus_SendEnabled" Value="1" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Delay Cross Mix" Value="1" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Delay_FeedbackLeft" Value="31.65083313" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Delay_FeedbackRight" Value="31.65083313" />
<Param ElementID="EffectCanopy" ParamID="Delay_HighCutoff" Value="13836.37011719" />

In the old format they look like this:

<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="0" Value="28,16092110" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="3" Value="45,44799805" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="4" Value="45,89925003" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="7" Value="9572,60156250" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="9" Value="95,00000000" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="10" Value="0,12410325" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="12" Value="52,00000000" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="13" Value="77,21999359" />
<Param Type="Float" ElementID="0" ParamID="17" Value="26,00000000" />

In both there is a great big blob that presumably contains the spectral data.

If the stuff you need is contained in the plain text XML it might be possible to write a conversion script.

Sure those are exactly the parameter values that don't translate, how could they if you totally rename everything
A conversion script would preserve more than 2.5 years of Iris work, if you know someone, please let me know, but I'll investigate myself of course. Until then, version 1 here I come.

[lnikj]

I think what is needed is to try to import an iris 1 patch so that the spectral datas is preserved, then try to recreate everything else as closely as possible in iris 2, from which it would hopefully be possible to work out the mappings between the two formats. If you had the mappings then a script would be fairly easy.

Either that, or ask Izotope nicely what the mappings are, or even if they have a script themselves.

[Sampleconstruct]

I think what is needed is to try to import an iris 1 patch so that the spectral datas is preserved, then try to recreate everything else as closely as possible in iris 2, from which it would hopefully be possible to work out the mappings between the two formats. If you had the mappings then a script would be fairly easy.

Either that, or ask Izotope nicely what the mappings are, or even if they have a script themselves.

Thank's for the suggestion, but you must be joking. Sentenced to life in a jail I would maybe do that, but life goes on.

[deastman]

I must say I'm extremely disappointed that time stretching wasn't improved, considering how obvious and glaring an issue it was to anyone who spent five minutes with v1. I'm also disappointed that there were never any updates to v1 at all... just a couple of years of silence and now another $99 out the door. I suppose I'll upgrade, but it's rather underwhelming after such a long wait.

[Sampleconstruct]

Another strange thing: You convert a patch, assign some LFOs to oscillator pitch and master filter, then you load a new patch and those assignments will persist, as if they were now global. Need to check further. The new modulation system would allow for pretty complex routings, like modulating modulation amount via several modulators ala Alchemy or MachFive.

[Breeze]

I think what is needed is to try to import an iris 1 patch so that the spectral datas is preserved, then try to recreate everything else as closely as possible in iris 2, from which it would hopefully be possible to work out the mappings between the two formats. If you had the mappings then a script would be fairly easy.

Either that, or ask Izotope nicely what the mappings are, or even if they have a script themselves.

Personally, I unfortunately don't have time for this but if I did I would pretty much do what you suggest. But I would definitely start by seeing what information iZotope would be willing to provide. If any of the advanced functions of 2 are buried in the Spectral Information, then it's another ballgame, but at this point it looks like it could just involve remapping of assigned parameters, as long as the values and ranges are the same; that would make it somewhat harder without information from iZotope.

Can't help thinking marketing had a hand in this. Damn you ABC Investments!

[lnikj]

I've emailed them already out of curiosity.

[Sampleconstruct]

The new filter section adds some formant filters from Trash 2, nothing spectacular, the only FX change is that the delay now allows for delay times up to 4000ms (when not in sync mode that is), the drag and drop modulation assignment is somewhat convoluted and needs some time to get used to, right click always works. The spectral tools are identical with v1.

So they are selling us 3 new LFOs, a few envelopes, some filter algos, some eye candy, and a longer delay, they are also selling us a dropped x/y-pad and broken compatibility with version 1 patches, not too bad for $ 99.

[ians]

Also look like the new 11GB sound library is mostly made up of the old expansion packs:

'An epic library of content is included with your Iris 2 purchase. The Iris 2 Sound Library includes hundreds of exciting new patches by world-class sound designers, plus an 11 GB sample library. Chock-full of 24-bit .WAV files for use in any sampler, the sample library includes reorganized and remastered samples from the original Iris+8 library, as well as 3 GB of brand new samples for Iris 2.'

You can read 're-organised & remastered' as 'made to work for v2'

[KingTuck]

Didn't know this was coming. Kinda cool, Iris is a nice plugin. I don't know if I'll upgrade. Might at some point but for the time being I probably won't.

[TabSel]

Why convert when you can use iris v1? Consider iris 2 a different instrument.

Won't upgrade. Too expensive for what's on offer.

[don1thedon]

What on earth are iZotope doing with their releases? Functionality is questionable & inconsistent and upgrades are way too expensive ... I saw someone say they're done with them and I'm rapidly moving that way.

[aMUSEd]

And the x/y-pad has been dropped totally

Wow another downgrade - I use that a lot - what planet are they on?

[Satch1]

The new filter section adds some formant filters from Trash 2, nothing spectacular, the only FX change is that the delay now allows for delay times up to 4000ms (when not in sync mode that is), the drag and drop modulation assignment is somewhat convoluted and needs some time to get used to, right click always works. The spectral tools are identical with v1.

So they are selling us 3 new LFOs, a few envelopes, some filter algos, some eye candy, and a longer delay, they are also selling us a dropped x/y-pad and broken compatibility with version 1 patches, not too bad for $ 99.

Well, there's the same amount of LFO's and envelopes as version 1, but now the routing possibilities are way more flexible. Plus the LFO's and envelopes themselves are more flexible. I'm happy to see the envelope stages can be modulated especially. Overall the new modulation system is far better. It's definitely the main reason for me to upgrade, if I decide to... I was kinda hoping for a bit more for a version 2 though.