Something is cooking: RAGNAROK - RELEASED !!!

[Full Bucket]

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Great music Björn. Me likey a LOT!

Thanks a lot, glad you like it!!!
Two more that heavily inspire(d) me: LarryFast and EberhardSchoener...

[...] there was weird interaction with the GUI of my DAW.

Maybe a hint what DAW?
You can always send me a message or mail if you have issues; the worst thing that may happen is that I cannot solve it...

Cheers, Björn

[fluffy_little_something]

I did tell you, maybe a year ago, don't remember what the result was, other than I ceased to use your stuff The DAW is Mixcraft.
I had mentioned it in the Nabla thread as well:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3#p5669983

[Full Bucket]

I did tell you, maybe a year ago, don't remember what the result was, other than I ceased to use your stuff The DAW is Mixcraft.
I had mentioned it in the Nabla thread as well:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3#p5669983

OK, I don't have these DAWs... I have VstHost, Reaper, an old Cubase, Samplitude, Ableton Live trial, and not to forget my VMachine (doesn't help with UI though ), let's see if I add your DAW trial versions as well .
And your OS? 32 or 64 bit? "You never can get enough information," says NSA.

Cheers, Björn

[crimsonwarlock]

LarryFast

Ooooohhh..... Sequencer, Audion, Games, Chords.... need I go on

Big influence for me too. Same with the Frenchman, that Greek Guy, some guy from Germany who used to sit down on stage with a big modular and now where's glasses, and a certain gentleman from Japan that has a Ragnarök preset named after him

[fluffy_little_something]

I did tell you, maybe a year ago, don't remember what the result was, other than I ceased to use your stuff The DAW is Mixcraft.
I had mentioned it in the Nabla thread as well:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3#p5669983

OK, I don't have these DAWs... I have VstHost, Reaper, an old Cubase, Samplitude, Ableton Live trial, and not to forget my VMachine (doesn't help with UI though ), let's see if I add your DAW trial versions as well .
And your OS? 32 or 64 bit? "You never can get enough information," says NSA.

Cheers, Björn

W7 64. But as I said, with the new synth the GUI issue is gone, with your older ones not. Just demoed Blooo again to check. Seems you changed something about your GUI programming

(Blooo sounds so good and direct, pity it has such an odd interface. You could turn that thing into one of THE standard donationware synths (adding Retrologue-style voice stacking (up to 4 would be enough), a chorus, a mono retrigger switch, an envelope retrigger switch (i.e. restart or pickup), a bass control (i.e. static high-pass filter like on old Roland synths) and a working patch manager would be cool I think). Despite looking totally different, it is actually a bit similar to Poly-Ana )

[crimsonwarlock]

(Blooo sounds so good and direct, pity it has such an odd interface. You could turn that thing into one of THE standard donationware synths (adding Retrologue-style voice stacking (up to 4 would be enough), a chorus, a mono retrigger switch, an envelope retrigger switch (i.e. restart or pickup), a bass control (i.e. static high-pass filter like on old Roland synths) and a working patch manager would be cool I think). Despite looking totally different, it is actually a bit similar to Poly-Ana )

You basically suggest a complete overhaul/rebuild to make it into something completely different

I don't get this attitude (you're not the only one) to put everything and the kitchen sink into every plugin to basically make it into yet another 'synth that can do all'. Synths in the category 'can do (almost) all' are boring as hell. If you have one of those, why need another one. And there are many of those around, so for a developer not really that satisfying to do. It's much more interesting to have synths that are a useful addition to a setup.

I would say that the major quality of the Full Bucket synths (besides the obvious sound quality) is that they each fill in some nice niche in the sonic landscape. It's that what makes them so great

That's also the reason why I asked (and hoped) Björn would do Ragnarök, as that is also definitely 'something else'. And because of that, Ragnarök will never be made into a 'do it all' synth. That would totally take away the best quality of the instrument.

By the way, I really like your bass-patch

[crimsonwarlock]

I've just auditioned all the patches made so far by you guys, and I'm completely blown away by the quality of the sounds you come up with. Kudos to you all. Keep 'm coming

Next update will also have (again) a few new patches from me

[fluffy_little_something]

(Blooo sounds so good and direct, pity it has such an odd interface. You could turn that thing into one of THE standard donationware synths (adding Retrologue-style voice stacking (up to 4 would be enough), a chorus, a mono retrigger switch, an envelope retrigger switch (i.e. restart or pickup), a bass control (i.e. static high-pass filter like on old Roland synths) and a working patch manager would be cool I think). Despite looking totally different, it is actually a bit similar to Poly-Ana )

You basically suggest a complete overhaul/rebuild to make it into something completely different

I don't get this attitude (you're not the only one) to put everything and the kitchen sink into every plugin to basically make it into yet another 'synth that can do all'. Synths in the category 'can do (almost) all' are boring as hell. If you have one of those, why need another one. And there are many of those around, so for a developer not really that satisfying to do. It's much more interesting to have synths that are a useful addition to a setup.

I would say that the major quality of the Full Bucket synths (besides the obvious sound quality) is that they each fill in some nice niche in the sonic landscape. It's that what makes them so great

That's also the reason why I asked (and hoped) Björn would do Ragnarök, as that is also definitely 'something else'. And because of that, Ragnarök will never be made into a 'do it all' synth. That would totally take away the best quality of the instrument.

By the way, I really like your bass-patch

I don't agree with that notion, surprise Blooo does not seem to be an emulation of any hardware, so why not make an upgrade? So many developers do it, and the updates are usually better, not worse. Just think of Dune 2 vs 1. It's just a piece of software, not the Mona Lisa

All of the things I have mentioned would simply be added stuff to be used optionally. One could leave it turned off and existing patches would remain compatible.
The biggest change would be the voice stacking I suppose, but again, default would be 1, so no compatibility issues.

Anyway, those were only suggestions, I don't really care what developers actually do and don't do. Currently, the GUI issues and the envelope pickup mode keep me from using Blooo.

[ras.s]

I'll upload my patches to the KVR database a bit later, I think I can come up with a few more.


Does anyone else experience stuck notes when changing patches?

In that bank I uploaded earlier, there's two patches that do it every time over here. Playing with the patch named Fjaell bell 2 and then switching to Cold coast does it, only hitting the stuck note or a panic button (all notes off) kills it. It seems to do it if the first patch is still on its decay portion. I've been making some more patches and get the same behaviour with two other patches, and the thing that appears as the common factor there is that the first one has volume envelope switched to AD and its mode is on repeat and the second patch is switched on ADSR and its mode is normal (just like on Fjaell bell 2 and Cold coast). 32bit Vista & EnergyXT, for what it's worth.

[crimsonwarlock]

I don't agree with that notion, surprise Blooo does not seem to be an emulation of any hardware, so why not make an upgrade?

Why should an instrument that is NOT emulating some hardware, NOT be seen as something special, geared towards specific use, ore simply 'as the developer intended'

So many developers do it, and the updates are usually better, not worse. Just think of Dune 2 vs 1. It's just a piece of software, not the Mona Lisa

Most updates, other then bug fixes, are mainly driven by the need to continue sales. This fact is obvious as mainly commercial synths go into higher version numbers and freeware stuff gets labeled 'abandoned' (by the plugin collectors) when the developer determines it is stable and working, and not in need of any major upgrades (again, besides bug fixes).

Another important reason NOT to throw everything and the kitchen sink into a certain instrument is complexity creep: 'Just because it can be done' is the worst reason to implement something into anything. It makes the product inaccessible to many users, increases the learning curve beyond it's utility and in most cases makes it less desirable to most people.

Björn and I are working towards a V2 for Ragnarök because there are a few things that can be done within the 'original idea' of the (hardware) instrument. Like things I would have build into the hardware if it would have been possible back then (either technology or money wise). But I can assure you right now that it will never be turned into something that the hardware was never meant to be.

Your request sounds to me like 'why not add a bunch of bass-strings to a electric lead guitar, then you could also use the lead guitar as a bass guitar. It actually has been done with double neck guitars but those became a unusable rarity when people started to understand that you can have a much better lead guitar when it is not lumping a bass guitar around, and the other way around. Synthesizers, really, are not that different in that regard

[crimsonwarlock]

Playing with the patch named Fjaell bell 2 and then switching to Cold coast does it, only hitting the stuck note or a panic button (all notes off) kills it.

Tested. Yep, I have the same issue.

[ras.s]

Perhaps something to look into then.

And hey crimson, are you going to gut the original now and make it a controller? ;)

[fluffy_little_something]

Most updates, other then bug fixes, are mainly driven by the need to continue sales. This fact is obvious as mainly commercial synths go into higher version numbers and freeware stuff gets labeled 'abandoned' (by the plugin collectors) when the developer determines it is stable and working, and not in need of any major upgrades (again, besides bug fixes).

Another important reason NOT to throw everything and the kitchen sink into a certain instrument is complexity creep: 'Just because it can be done' is the worst reason to implement something into anything. It makes the product inaccessible to many users, increases the learning curve beyond it's utility and in most cases makes it less desirable to most people.

Björn and I are working towards a V2 for Ragnarök because there are a few things that can be done within the 'original idea' of the (hardware) instrument. Like things I would have build into the hardware if it would have been possible back then (either technology or money wise). But I can assure you right now that it will never be turned into something that the hardware was never meant to be.

Your request sounds to me like 'why not add a bunch of bass-strings to a electric lead guitar, then you could also use the lead guitar as a bass guitar. It actually has been done with double neck guitars but those became a unusable rarity when people started to understand that you can have a much better lead guitar when it is not lumping a bass guitar around, and the other way around. Synthesizers, really, are not that different in that regard

Again, I don't really share any of those views, but since all of this is irrelevant and off-topic, let's agree to disagree

[psmacmur]

It actually has been done with double neck guitars but those became a unusable rarity when people started to understand that you can have a much better lead guitar when it is not lumping a bass guitar around, and the other way around. Synthesizers, really, are not that different in that regard

zOMG now I want a double-necked keytar. Can you build me one? kthxbye

PS looking forward to the RagnarOSC

[AusDisciple]

Perhaps something to look into then.

And hey crimson, are you going to gut the original now and make it a controller?

No. He's going to send it to me so I can fix it for him.