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[paterpeter]

I think I picked the wrong job. Is making music THAT easy that it has to be "connect the dots" or it's not doable?

You're completely exaggerating. We're talking about a feature that would help people bringing musical ideas to life more easily, without the need for workarounds and mental bridging. It has nothing to do with people wanting to dumb down the process of making music.

Why don't you throw quantization out of FLS? That'll teach those stupid kids to play correctly in the first place, right?

You use tools, too, don't you? There's a reason you're writing in a higher level programming language instead of assembly, even though that would be perfectly sufficient. And I'm pretty sure you're using an IDE that has some convenience functions.

I'm not saying having multiple time signatures in the playlist is essential to make music. But practically calling customers who want such a feature spoiled kids is inappropriate IMO.

[tony tony chopper]

is something totally impossible to happen for FL?

it's technically possible if I add a tempo track (something that's only needed for this), but I don't see the point. We're talking about making a little easier something that only a little niche needs.

[elassi]

FL, a DAW made by musically illiterate, for musically illiterate.

Conflicts with the fact that there are some really nice sounds (presets) made by Gol.

I could name a synth coder (and musician) that awfully fails in that department. Before you ask: no, I won't tell his name.

[memyselfandus]

the multiple signatures problem, aka "I can't do music because the bar # label on the timeline doesn't look correct if I change the timesig of my patterns"...

Yes

[tony tony chopper]

You're completely exaggerating. We're talking about a feature that would help people bringing musical ideas to life more easily, without the need for workarounds and mental bridging. It has nothing to do with people wanting to dumb down the process of making music.

funny because that's what you're making it sound like

You use tools, too, don't you? There's a reason you're writing in a higher level programming language instead of assembly, even though that would be perfectly sufficient.

But I do write in asm, and if something isn't possible in Delphi other than in asm, then I consider it possible.
A whole sequencer in asm? Yeah that would be possible, it would probably take 50 years to write. How much time do you lose by not having aligned labels, let's say a fraction of the time it took to write your post?
Delphi is hell and makes it very hard to do a lot of things, but frankly I'm a lot more concerned about what it doesn't make possible at all.

[elassi]

Why don't you throw quantization out of FLS? That'll teach those stupid kids to play correctly in the first place, right?

Valid point.

In fact, there are quite a few tools in FLS that only exist to support uneducated, musically illiterate people.

[EvilDragon]

is something totally impossible to happen for FL?

it's technically possible if I add a tempo track (something that's only needed for this), but I don't see the point. We're talking about making a little easier something that only a little niche needs.

Not sure why a tempo track is necessary for that... tempo is already automatable as a parameter in FL. So basically the play cursor CAN already change its speed in the playlist already... just being governed by the tempo automation.

This "linear grid" mode would just additionally scale the speed of the play cursor, according to the time signature of the pattern's time signature.

Oh wait, yeah, I think I see where the lockup could end up being. Having patterns stacked vertically with different time signatures at once (that's cool from polyrhythmic standpoint, too!). Yeah, tempo track does seem a necessity for this, after all - in that case it would dictate both the tempo AND time signature of the whole project, and individual pattern time signature settings would need to be disregarded. Oh well! I know quite a few people using FL that could get a lot mileage out of such feature (one Blake Robinson of Synthetic Orchestra, for example).

And it wouldn't be "a little easier". It would be HEAPS easier, as paterpeter says. There would be no need for "mental bridging" - 1 of the pattern would align with 1 of the playlist/timeline. That does make sense indeed.

[EvilDragon]

Conflicts with the fact that there are some really nice sounds (presets) made by Gol.

Making sounds is not the same thing as being musically literate (which means - knowing how to read notation, knowing what a time sig is and why is it used for, etc.). Being able to make sounds is being "synthesis literate", let's say.

[memyselfandus]

is something totally impossible to happen for FL?

it's technically possible if I add a tempo track (something that's only needed for this), but I don't see the point. We're talking about making a little easier something that only a little niche needs.

PLEEEEEEEEASE

[elassi]

Making sounds is not the same thing as being musically literate (which means - knowing how to read notation, knowing what a time sig is and why is it used for, etc.). Being able to make sounds is being "synthesis literate", let's say.

Yep, I accept your point and it has been true for centuries. But in our time we face several new form of music that don't need score sheets, time sigs and all that stuff. Therefore I dared to say that a good sound itself can define an (musical) artist under certain circumstances.

Again, don't get me wrong: you're right with your point. But boundaries/definitions have changed, too. Imho.

[EvilDragon]

Of course boundaries have changed. But neglecting what was already set up as a de facto standard (i.e. time signatures being aligned to the timeline properly), doesn't seem like a nice thing to do.

[tony tony chopper]

In fact, there are quite a few tools in FLS that only exist to support uneducated, musically illiterate people.

yeah, but tools to help making *popular* music.
I think I once heard a non-4/4 piece of music, 10 years ago

[tony tony chopper]

Not sure why a tempo track is necessary for that... tempo is already automatable as a parameter in FL.

(normal) automated tempo means:
-unpredictability (you can map it to a peak controller, an irreversible formula, etc)
-tempo being drawn in the playlist itself (you can imagine the problem or drawing an envelope on that same timeline that the envelope itself deforms, no?)

[EvilDragon]

Yeah, yeah. I get the problem, as I neared the end of that post, gol


Tempo track in FL - definitely a worthy addition!

[paterpeter]

it's technically possible if I add a tempo track (something that's only needed for this), but I don't see the point. We're talking about making a little easier something that only a little niche needs.

You see, this is completely fine. If you think that implementing this feature is too much work which would be used by few users only, that's a perfectly reasonable point. I totally understand that you have to spend your time on more important things. I only wished that would have been your first answer, not this "people who need this are lazy bastards and not real musicians".