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DJMaytag · Post by **DJMaytag** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:58 am

Take my money!!! I guess this means the V Collection probably won't be on sale for half off anytime soon...

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:19 am

I'm finding the Solina V to perform terribly at the lowest buffer settings (32 and 64) on my RME Multiface. The sound is a stuttering mess. The sound clears up at 128, but the latency at that setting is unusable for me. No other Arturia plugin does this. In fact, they all perform rather well.

vic_france · Post by **vic_france** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:35 am

MickGael wrote:I'm finding the Matrix 12V to perform terribly at the lowest buffer settings (32 and 64) on my RME Multiface. The sound is a stuttering mess. The sound clears up at 128, but the latency at that setting is unusable for me. No other Arturia plugin does this. In fact, they all perform rather well.

For me, although Matrix 12V is indeed very CPU hungry at low buffer size, I was amazed at how hungry the Solina is.. much worse than the Matrix here. Pity, because I must say it does sound gorgeous.

dumbledog · Post by **dumbledog** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:45 am

Fun trick with Solina: Set the upper resonator to bandpass and try some Formant vowel frequencies, cranking up the resonance/gain for the two pertinent sliders and killing the third. Most of them fit nicely in the synth's three EQ bands.

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:06 am

Seriously. Does anyone want V-collection 2 for super cheap? My discount is showing $199. I'll probably ask $50ish for it.

-Sam

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:19 am

I own three Arturia products (Jupiter 8V, Oberheim SEM V, Prophet V) and i did not get any coupon for a discount so far. For me the current prices are 169€ for Matrix-12V and 399€ for V-Collection 4. I just sent an e-mail to the Arturia sales department.

Based on the tons of features and modulations it includes currently i am checking if Matrix-12V could be useful even if it doesn't nail really the sound of the real thing (at least in terms of "raw analog power").

UPDATE:
Arturia just added a coupon to my account. 169 € for the upgrade to V-Collection 4. Sound like a quite good offer.

vic_france · Post by **vic_france** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:37 am

vic_france wrote: For me, although Matrix 12V is indeed very CPU hungry at low buffer size, I was amazed at how hungry the Solina is.. much worse than the Matrix here. Pity, because I must say it does sound gorgeous.

In all fairness..
I have found that the responsible for the high CPU load is the convolution reverb.. it becomes reasonable again if I remove that, and use a reverb in the host application.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:24 am

So have any if the other plugins been updated?

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:43 am

vic_france wrote:
MickGael wrote:I'm finding the Matrix 12V to perform terribly at the lowest buffer settings (32 and 64) on my RME Multiface. The sound is a stuttering mess. The sound clears up at 128, but the latency at that setting is unusable for me. No other Arturia plugin does this. In fact, they all perform rather well.
For me, although Matrix 12V is indeed very CPU hungry at low buffer size, I was amazed at how hungry the Solina is.. much worse than the Matrix here. Pity, because I must say it does sound gorgeous.

You are correct! I misspoke, and meant to say "Solina V." Terrible CPU. A single note spikes from 7% to 125% CPU usage as per the plugins internal meter. That's gotta be a bug?

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:58 am

I wonder if they updated their analogue emulation methods with 0dfb filters and other current stuff

krandr · Post by **krandr** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:04 pm

"Great" work Arturia!

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:11 pm

I've never laid hands on any real Oberheim so have nothing to compare it to, but I'm aware of their reputation.

The Matrix-12 just sounds thin and weedy to me? Not what I was expecting.

Vintage Synth Explorer says:

"Oberheim's Matrix 12 is a legendary analog synthesizer from the mid-eighties that is still the king of analog sounds. One of the fattest, roundest, pleasantly analog synthesizers around! It's long been known for creating some of the thickest and best analog pads, sweeps, buzzes, basses and textures."

I am not hearing that.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:20 pm

lnikj wrote:I am not hearing that.

The "offical" VSE reviews are not always up to speed, often they seem just cut from advertisments of the products.

If you look at some of the comments made by users at VSE, like these, not everybody is in love with the synth:

"I had this for over ten years, it was my main board for most of that time. I was very dissatisfied. The UI was a pain in the ass compared to earlier analogs, lots of great features but just didn't sound that good. And it was missing a lot of the basics that I expect for a synth at this level (ring mod, xmod). The res wasn't that great... just generally disappointing."

"I also had a Matrix 12 for many years (5 i believe), and it never really won me over. The interface was far from optimal, and I always felt the sound was a bit muddy and underwhelming - the ob series just sounded more distinct and alive to me, and I always ended up using one of those when I wanted the Oberheim sound. It also seemed a bit sluggy env wise - more so than for example the Super JX. It looked great though, and I can't complain about reliability, mine always worked well."

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:39 pm

I still have to evaluate these, but take notice on the article HERE.

I especially call you attention for the following paragraph: "Sonically these machines aren`t as fat, punchy or powerful as the OB-Xa, but what they lose in sheer welly they make up for in smoothness, warmth and utter complexity and are the First Oberheims since the clunky SEM based 4-voice and 8-voice polyphonics to have multimode filtering. the software engineers screwed the tits of those cheapo 3372s to provide fifteen types of filter including phase filters and combination filters as well as the usual low/hi/band pass types in various "poles", due to Oberheim`s painstaking design and attention to detail those cheap Dual VCOs sound as sweet as a nut and the routings for them for FM, sync etc are superb. 5 EG`s per patch although not the fastest on earth are flexible and modulatable from within the 27 source, 47 destination, 20 patch-cord mod matrix. there are tracking generators, ramp generators 5-LFOs and more VCAs than you can shake a whole friggin` wood pile at. there is still no virtual analog which even comes close for complexity."

So, I think people here were expecting a Matrix-12 with the sound of the OB series, which would be not a real Matrix-12

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:45 pm

fmr wrote:So, I think people here were expecting a Matrix-12 with the sound of the OB series, which would be not a real Matrix-12

Matrix 12 is from the digital/analog hybrid time of the mid 80's

The sound will thus not be as analog or fat as the pure analog machines of the 70's

Arturia's new plugins : Solina V and Matrix 12V