Arturia's new plugins : Solina V and Matrix 12V

[Sequent]

Yeah, but I was thinking in terms of the new activation thing.

[Numanoid]

Yeah, but I was thinking in terms of the new activation thing.

I bought Analog Laboratory + Analog Lab bundle at JRR Shop earlier this year.

What I see in my Arturia profile now is that I have got that on "2 activations on maximum of 4"

So an upgrade should be doable also with the new activation system.

[Ingonator]

The modulation options in Mazrix-12V (like in the real synth) seem to be insane. I found that at the main GUI for each parameter that has a button below the value you could see and/or set modulation sources at the "Modulation Page" at the center of the GUI if you click on that button. Parameters that could not be modulated only have the name displayed without a button (e.g. "Filter mode" or envelope sustain).
If a mod source is assigned to a parameter the related button shows a small green LED at the lower right of the button.
An overview of all modulations could be seen at the mod matrix tab/page (will substitute the keyboard display).

[Sequent]

Yeah, but I was thinking in terms of the new activation thing.

I bought Analog Laboratory + Analog Lab bundle at JRR Shop earlier this year.

What I see in my Arturia profile now is that I have got that on "2 activations on maximum of 4"

So an upgrade should be doable also with the new activation system.

Thanks, ! will revisit that tonight!

[ghettosynth]

The problem is taht the Matrix-12 plugin seems to mis quite a lot of "fatnes" compared to other emulations or real anlog synths (and based on those videos also comparted to the real thing).

But unlike plugs like Monark, that cannot state anywhere officially that it is a MiniMoog emulation, this emulation has to be endorsed by the Oberheim copyright holders, to be able to use the Matrix12 name.

That means that either the copyright holders got no clue about synths, or they just take the money and don't bother.

I don't know if the original copyright has reverted back to Tom Oberheim or if it is being held by Viscount International.

Copyright of what, the synth name? There is no copyright of names and titles. There might be a trademark involved.

BTW: This thread is so full of misinformation it's hilarious.

[Numanoid]

Copyright of what, the synth name? There is no copyright of names and titles. There might be a trademark involved.

If you want to be pedantic go ahead

"By comparison [with trademark law], copyright law generally seeks to protect original literary, artistic and other creative works. Continued active use and re-registration can make a trademark perpetual, whereas copyright usually lasts for the duration of the author's lifespan plus 70 years for works by individuals, and some limited time after creation for works by bodies corporate"

[Sequent]

The modulation options in Mazrix-12V (like in the real synth) seem to be insane. I found that at the main GUI for each parameter that has a button below the value you could see and/or set modulation sources at the "Modulation Page" at the center of the GUI if you click on that button. Parameters that could not be modulated only have the name displayed without a button (e.g. "Filter mode" or envelope sustain).
If a mod source is assigned to a parameter the related button shows a small green LED at the lower right of the button.
An overview of all modulations could be seen at the mod matrix tab/page (will substitute the keyboard display).

The modulation options seem really nice. It seems one could do some serious sound design with the the Matrix 12V.

So, in effect whether or not it sounds like a real Matrix 12 is besides the point in that respect... because regardless of anything else it looks like a really nice synth!

But of course it's supposed to be a Matrix 12 so hopefully it's at least in the ballpark. As I mentioned previously, I put a tube compressor on it and it made a big difference. I don't know about you guys, but I could never afford a real Matrix 12 and a decent Xpander is problematic (don't want to buy someone else's problem unit plus these units are BIG), so I've been looking forward to something like this.

[dumbledog]

Some days I'm glad I've never even touched a hardware synth so I have less to get mad about. (And more money to blow on VSTs.)

[ghettosynth]

Copyright of what, the synth name? There is no copyright of names and titles. There might be a trademark involved.

If you want to be pedantic go ahead

It's an important distinction, you say pedantic, I say accurate. It isn't a copyright issue and even in practice trademarks are quite different from copyrights. You don't actually know if there is a trademark involved that's still current or not, you simply asserted so and asserted that Oberheim (Gibson) are just after the money whereas Moog somehow isn't. I don't think that you can draw conclusions about any of the companies involved based on the fact that Monark isn't called Minimoog-NI, and that Matrix-12v is very similar to Matrix-12.

[V0RT3X]

This is a pretty good sound demo, to give you an idea of whether or not the Arturia version is close or not.

[Numanoid]

It's an important distinction, you say pedantic, I say accurate.

It's like if somebody spell Reaktor as Reactor if you ask me.

Oberheim (Gibson) are just after the money whereas Moog somehow isn't.

That's reading a lot into it. Could also be that NI just don't want to use money (or paying percentages) on getting Moog to endorse Monark.

[Ingonator]

I just could not resist the offer to upgrade to V-Collection 4 from 3 single plugins for 169€ so i just got it...
Including the new ones this adds 10 new plugins for me which is a good deal IMO.

Based on what i paid for the 3 single plugins and the upgrade i also don't think i really lost much money compared to buying the single plugins and the full Collection (2 of the 3 single plugins i already got with a discount).

Installing, updating and and activating plugins with the new Arturia Softwarte Center seems to work quite nicely.

[ghettosynth]

I haven't had a chance to try the Solina yet, but I did play around with the Matrix 12 V a bit. I agree with Ingo...

Out of the box, my first impressions of the sound were not super favorable. It was perhaps more reminiscent of a Matrix 1000 than a Matrix 12/Xpander... BUT after putting some "tube" compression in the chain it had a little more of the "punch" that I was looking for. It definitely merits more detailed exploration.

I would say that you are firmly into the realm of perception there. It's not clear to me that adding some distortion/saturation would make a Matrix 1k sound like a Matrix12. If we're just talking about the core components and consider only the lowpass filter of the Matrix 12, then the two synths are remarkably similar past the oscillators. The differences are fundamental and in two areas, 1) complexity, 2) analog oscillators. A tube compressor is not going to make DCOs sound like VCOs. The only thing that will make a plugin sound like it has VCOs is good modeling of the oscillators.

[Ingonator]

I haven't had a chance to try the Solina yet, but I did play around with the Matrix 12 V a bit. I agree with Ingo...

Out of the box, my first impressions of the sound were not super favorable. It was perhaps more reminiscent of a Matrix 1000 than a Matrix 12/Xpander... BUT after putting some "tube" compression in the chain it had a little more of the "punch" that I was looking for. It definitely merits more detailed exploration.

I would say that you are firmly into the realm of perception there. It's not clear to me that adding some distortion/saturation would make a Matrix 1k sound like a Matrix12. If we're just talking about the core components and consider only the lowpass filter of the Matrix 12, then the two synths are remarkebly similar past the oscillators. The differences are fundamental and in two areas, 1) complexity, 2) analog oscillators. A tube compressor is not going to make DCOs sound like VCOs. The only thing that will make a plugin sound like it has VCOs is good modeling of the oscillators.

For me it was the low end that was lacking in the plugin so adding saturation and an EQ solved it for me, independent on how close the synth sounds compared to the real thing. The Xpander even seemed to include CV-inputs.

[Numanoid]

The manual:
http://www.cem3374.com/docs/Manuals/Obe ... x12_OM.pdf