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Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:02 pm

robojam wrote:
Doug1978 wrote:Lexicon vs. Valhalla.

Badgers vs. skunks.
Which one has the dongle, the badger or the skunk?

What's a dongle? Must be something I got rid of years ago...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:26 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I think the question more is, "can I make these sounds with Valhalla reverbs?

Given the OP, the question is more likely to be several dozen rounds of 'someone tell me how to make this reverb sound with Valhalla because Im too lazy to do my own homework'

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:35 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I think the question more is, "can I make these sounds with Valhalla reverbs?
Given the OP, the question is more likely to be several dozen rounds of 'someone tell me how to make this reverb sound with Valhalla because Im too lazy to do my own homework'

Isn't asking on the internet forums classed as homework?

Brother Charles · Post by **Brother Charles** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:01 pm

+1
Exactly what I was thinking.

Kaboom75 wrote: Isn't asking on the internet forums classed as homework?

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:09 am

^^ to be fair to WR, nobody has a problem with questions being asked.
It is when the advice and help in answers is ignored, and the same questions get asked again, that it becomes frustrating. (Have a look at the OP's profile history).
Also, there are plenty of threads and posts not only at KVR and Gearslutz, but also on other sites, which document the close comparisons between Lexicon and Vahalla already.

Ultimately, Vahalla and Lexicon are excellent (I have products from both).
They have great similarities, indeed Sean from Vahalla had the Lexicon reverbs in mind when he designed parts of his Vahalla reverbs:
https://valhalladsp.wordpress.com/tag/lexicon-224/

But there are also key differences too, not least the badgers have dongles and are more expensive.
If I had to choose one, I'd go with Vahalla.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:20 am

I think for most of us Valhalla is fine because it is cheap and good. No need to spend a fortune.

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:51 am

Prefer Valhalla to Lexicon. Sounds better, less expensive, all algorithms are in one plugin. Only plus for Lexicon is that I like the GUI better.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:26 pm

3ee wrote:Sure!

here's a diffused echo-verb: ...The Hall algos with large size values makes for echoes since they go far beyond other "smaller" algos. Diffusion parameters more to minimum to "morph" from reverb to delay-echo

Try on stabby/percussive stuff, play with shape: size and attack parameters to fine-tune time and character of the echoes as well as predelay and decay.

<ValhallaVintageVerb pluginVersion="1.0.1" presetName="Diff Echoverb" Mix="0.300000012" PreDelay="0.338999987" Decay="0.545000017" Size="1" Attack="0.810000002" BassMult="0.606999993" BassXover="0.282582551" HighShelf="0.536000013" HighFreq="0.5" EarlyDiffusion="0.252000004" LateDiffusion="0.175999999" ModRate="0.483999997" ModDepth="0.203999996" HighCut="0.814999998" LowCut="0.100000001" ColorMode="0.666666687" ReverbMode="0.0416666679"/>

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Smooth Dark Room:

<ValhallaVintageVerb pluginVersion="1.0.1" presetName="Smooth Dark Room" Mix="0.340000004" PreDelay="0.211999997" Decay="0.328000009" Size="1" Attack="0.296999991" BassMult="0.207000002" BassXover="0.335999995" HighShelf="0.5" HighFreq="0.275000006" EarlyDiffusion="1" LateDiffusion="0.879999995" ModRate="0.156000003" ModDepth="0.263999999" HighCut="0.419999987" LowCut="0.0949999988" ColorMode="0.333333343" ReverbMode="0.125"/>

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Here's a tight ambiance... change the color using the SHAPE parameters...

<ValhallaVintageVerb pluginVersion="1.0.1" presetName="Tight Amb" Mix="0.400999993" PreDelay="0" Decay="0.0920000002" Size="0.296999991" Attack="1" BassMult="0" BassXover="0.455000013" HighShelf="0.159999996" HighFreq="0.224000007" EarlyDiffusion="1" LateDiffusion="0.796000004" ModRate="0.555999994" ModDepth="0.148000002" HighCut="0.658999979" LowCut="0.0469999984" ColorMode="0.666666687" ReverbMode="0.375"/>

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For a good chorus try the Halls and Sanctuary especially...
On this preset try messing with the Shape: size and attack will cross-fade between two different chorus flavors since it's the blend between early VS late reflections on the Sanctuary algo..

<ValhallaVintageVerb pluginVersion="1.0.1" presetName="Chorus Gentle Shimmer" Mix="0.5" PreDelay="0" Decay="0" Size="0.25" Attack="0.5" BassMult="0.324000001" BassXover="0.282582551" HighShelf="1" HighFreq="0.5" EarlyDiffusion="0.703999996" LateDiffusion="0.819999993" ModRate="0.796000004" ModDepth="0.363999993" HighCut="1" LowCut="0.0529999994" ColorMode="0.666666687" ReverbMode="0.375"/>

thanks a lot! i will test these out asap

jantex · Post by **jantex** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:51 pm

I have both and prefer Lexicon. But I greatly prefer Exponential Audio over both to be exact

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:16 pm

Sparky77 wrote:Nothing wrong with Lexicon reverb, after all they invented it (digital reverb).

I have both hardware and software lexicons, still a staple in many world class studios.

And it proved to be perfect on gazillions of records.

When I want the Lexicon sound ( and this is most often the case

), I usually turn to my HW Lexicons, or their sf versions/counterparts. Or the Exponential Audio reverbs. Seems obvious ....

RobGee · Post by **RobGee** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:10 pm

Valhalla are good but no contest if comparing, Lexicon for me all the way.

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:17 am

Why have you left out Bricasti's from the discussion?

Turello · Post by **Turello** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:22 am

as harware win sure Lexicon but as soft no doubts for Valhalla!

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:56 pm

RobGee wrote:Valhalla are good but no contest if comparing, Lexicon for me all the way.

How would you qualify the way Lexicon is significantly better than Valhalla? Please try to describe it - I think we all can learn something from your (no doubt) tremendous experience. It would be great if you could also post some clips which illustrate Lexicon's superiority compared to Valhalla*.

*Which of Valhalla's reverb plugins are we talking about b.t.w.?

Synthetic Wav · Post by **Synthetic Wav** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:19 pm

dunno if it's the same with the lexicon but the relab lx480 tail feel more part of the sound, it gel/sound better to me, maybe pilot error !

Lexicon vs. Valhalla Reverbs