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Erkenfresh · Post by **Erkenfresh** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:43 pm

Why would I want a scope? Why wouldn't I want a scope?

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:48 pm

Urs wrote: Human minds are a marvel.

Human minds are a minefield

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:02 pm

I think visual representations of all sorts are both extremely useful, and interesting. A scope where you could choose location in the signal chain (after Oscs/Ftrs/Amps/Efcts) would be awesomesauce.

Eyes, ears and other senses can and do inform one another.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:17 pm

a GUI is super important! Arturia plugins interest me (well since diva maybe not anymore) but theor guis are plain f**ked up and ridiculous i dont buy their stuff.... sorry. also i think GUIs should be user friendly and not like some guis "nerdy-like" or pragrammerwise right, cause as a musician i am no programmer ;D.

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:21 pm

I've been able to live without a scope on most HW and SW synths for ages, so I could deal without it anyway. I rather trust my ears than my eyes when keying in sounds.

3ee · Post by **3ee** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:23 pm

Erkenfresh wrote:Why would I want a scope? Why wouldn't I want a scope?

it's cool to have especially when creating/exploring patches...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:57 pm

Diva's scope originally allowed you to look at modulation signals. I haven't used it since that feature was removed.

I have a theory that a visually arresting scope can trick a listener into thinking that what they're listening to is more interesting than it would otherwise be, or even enhance some timbrel element of a sound - a spikey visualisation would make something sound spikier, for example.

psycha0s · Post by **psycha0s** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:02 pm

Another trancy example:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/335 ... ple-02.mp3

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:02 pm

digitalboytn wrote:
Urs wrote: Human minds are a marvel.
Human minds are a minefield

That's part of the marvel, I'm afraid

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:08 pm

Caine123 wrote:a GUI is super important! Arturia plugins interest me (well since diva maybe not anymore) but theor guis are plain f**ked up and ridiculous i dont buy their stuff.... sorry. also i think GUIs should be user friendly and not like some guis "nerdy-like" or pragrammerwise right, cause as a musician i am no programmer ;D.

Well... The Hive GUI is easy to use and works well. The drag-n-drop modulation is fast and fun. It is definitely user friendly

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:12 pm

I'm excited that Hive doesn't need a scope. We've worked our asses off to make a scope happen in Hive, including a hexagonal alpha layer. But as it turns out, it might not be needed at all. I sensed a bit of disbelieve when I said "let's drop it".

Thing is, we can bring it back at any time. It's gorgeous. But as Hakey said, we should add more purpose to it than just floppy pixels that represent something you hear anyways. I don't remember why we took that out of Diva. Maybe because it wasn't thorough enough, or maybe there was a bug.

- Urs

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:18 pm

Urs wrote:I'm excited that Hive doesn't need a scope. We've worked our asses off to make a scope happen in Hive, including a hexagonal alpha layer. But as it turns out, it might not be needed at all. I sensed a bit of disbelieve when I said "let's drop it".

Thing is, we can bring it back at any time. It's gorgeous. But as Hakey said, we should add more purpose to it than just floppy pixels that represent something you hear anyways. I don't remember why we took that out of Diva. Maybe because it wasn't thorough enough, or maybe there was a bug.

- Urs

In no way is this a complaint or a plug to get a scope back in. However, I do think the scopes are a great learning tool for synthesis. Heck I have a real scope hooked up to my real modular all the time. It's not just about lookin' good or cool.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:34 pm

Definitely would like to see the scope make it back in. It's just great to be able to see what your doing and if you put a lot of work into it I bet it would be really good.

It creates a nice feeling of connection for me when I saw the scope in Bazille for example, reflecting all the ideas I am trying out.

Ameyah Audio · Post by **Ameyah Audio** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:42 pm

hakey wrote:Diva's scope originally allowed you to look at modulation signals. I haven't used it since that feature was removed.

I have a theory that a visually arresting scope can trick a listener into thinking that what they're listening to is more interesting than it would otherwise be, or even enhance some timbrel element of a sound - a spikey visualisation would make something sound spikier, for example.

exactly!

the scope distracts you from the actual sound you are creating, for example in ACE i always look on the scope and forgot to listen to the sound with my full attention, it sound stupid, but exactly that would happen in Hive too, if there was a scope included too.

Hehe Urs how about an external Scope Plugin

i mean it shouldnt be a problem to get something like that out (just guessing, because i have no idea about how it works with programming and designing

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so everybody could fire up the scope plugin to every u-he plugin and it wouldnt "polute the gui" (my opinion

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When you want an easy learning tool, why not take a look at the daws basic stock synths? they are easy to use and for the visual purpose you could always use the free scope plugins from the web.

Lovely i cant sleep, what would i give now to play with HIVE ...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:49 pm

hakey wrote:Diva's scope originally allowed you to look at modulation signals. I haven't used it since that feature was removed.
........

Diva's scope was removed?

edit: oh to see the modulation was removed. got ya...

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