KVR Audio

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:32 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
trimph1 wrote:I have yet to see an Objective-o-meter that can prove that one is "better" than another.
Can someone link me to this device please?
Well for one, I've heard many listeners (men, women and children) state that if they so much as hear a song that was made using softsynths rather than hardware, they immediately reject it in protest and complain to the record company about having the audacity to produce the song using inferior sound generating apparatus. There is actually going to be a march on Washington this year about this very subject IIRC.

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basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:40 pm

pdxindy wrote: Hey, if that works for you great... Diva also uses a lot of CPU but for me the multi-core option makes all the difference. It means I can play what I want in realtime... and then bounce.

With Spire, I simply cannot play a lot of presets in realtime. Which means I don't know what it actually sounds like until I render it. Then to make any edit means re-rendering to hear it. That just sucks the joy out of actually playing music.

I think I would have fun with Spire otherwise.

What sort of CPU do you have? Can you name some of the presets you have this problem with?

Gadget Fiend · Post by **Gadget Fiend** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:46 pm

chk071 wrote:
Gadget Fiend wrote: As is clearly obvious to anyone who has actually heard any of the hardware synths mentioned below, there is not a single synth plugin that sounds as good as its hardware equivalent.
You know, there's loads of people here using hardware and software which will disagree with you. Actually, i don't see a reason at all, why a soft synth should sound inferior to a hardware VA. Different, yes, better or worse, no. Pretty subjective anyway if something sounds "better". I don't get why people claim Diva is the best sounding soft synth either. What if i don't like its, or the modelled synth's sound? Of what use is the level of detail then? Or what if I don't need that level of detail of analog modelling at all?

If you had actually read (and then understood) what I wrote, you would realize that I wasn't comparing hardware and software VA synths in the "analog" category. I compared Diva unfavorably to my MKS-80 at producing analog-sounding patches. Actually, Diva is a joke compared to any decent analog synth.

Pay attention if you are going to respond to something that I have posted.

Gadget Fiend · Post by **Gadget Fiend** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:48 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
trimph1 wrote:I have yet to see an Objective-o-meter that can prove that one is "better" than another.
Can someone link me to this device please?
Well for one, I've heard many listeners (men, women and children) state that if they so much as hear a song that was made using softsynths rather than hardware, they immediately reject it in protest and complain to the record company about having the audacity to produce the song using inferior sound generating apparatus. There is actually going to be a march on Washington this year about this very subject IIRC.

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Typical low-rent KVR babble. "My shitty synth plugins sound as good as your hardware synths (which I can't afford)." Don't make me laugh.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:59 pm

Gadget Fiend wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Gadget Fiend wrote: As is clearly obvious to anyone who has actually heard any of the hardware synths mentioned below, there is not a single synth plugin that sounds as good as its hardware equivalent.
You know, there's loads of people here using hardware and software which will disagree with you. Actually, i don't see a reason at all, why a soft synth should sound inferior to a hardware VA. Different, yes, better or worse, no. Pretty subjective anyway if something sounds "better". I don't get why people claim Diva is the best sounding soft synth either. What if i don't like its, or the modelled synth's sound? Of what use is the level of detail then? Or what if I don't need that level of detail of analog modelling at all?
If you had actually read (and then understood) what I wrote, you would realize that I wasn't comparing hardware and software VA synths in the "analog" category.

You didn't make that distinction in your earlier posts. Tbh, i have no idea what's a MKS-80 either, but then, i don't care much for analog synths, or analog modelling plugins. Many people here with experience with analog synths claim u-he did a good job on Diva though, so i just tend to believe that.

I don't know (and don't care) how close it is really.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:09 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:Just render...
Hey, if that works for you great... Diva also uses a lot of CPU but for me the multi-core option makes all the difference. It means I can play what I want in realtime... and then bounce.
With Spire, I simply cannot play a lot of presets in realtime. Which means I don't know what it actually sounds like until I render it. Then to make any edit means re-rendering to hear it. That just sucks the joy out of actually playing music.
I think I would have fun with Spire otherwise.
Understandable. I have a couple of those presets also. It sucks. I don't know what you're running, but you might have to upgrade your CPU to take advantage of Spire. It's worth it man. At least to me it is.

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I have a quad i7 from a few years ago... Sure there are faster ones now, but it does everything I need still... In a couple years I'll upgrade and give Spire another go then

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:11 pm

Or just wait for the update improving the performance.

I can't imagine it's that far off now.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:13 pm

TonyVegas wrote:Yeah, it's time to let Granny have her computer back. Shovel a few walks, mow a few yards, save up a few bucks and get yourself a decent PC. It's a whole new world when you start using modern computers.

Hey my quad i7 can handle Diva just fine on Divine mode... that Spire is considerably less usable than Diva says more about Spire than my computer...

nice try though

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:18 pm

Gadget Fiend wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:
trimph1 wrote:I have yet to see an Objective-o-meter that can prove that one is "better" than another.
Can someone link me to this device please?
Well for one, I've heard many listeners (men, women and children) state that if they so much as hear a song that was made using softsynths rather than hardware, they immediately reject it in protest and complain to the record company about having the audacity to produce the song using inferior sound generating apparatus. There is actually going to be a march on Washington this year about this very subject IIRC.

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Typical low-rent KVR babble. "My shitty synth plugins sound as good as your hardware synths (which I can't afford)." Don't make me laugh.

And your response to humour makes me wonder whether you had a humour bypass recently.

I have both hardware AND software synths. And they both work well...

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:29 pm

Gadget Fiend wrote:Typical low-rent KVR babble. "My shitty synth plugins sound as good as your hardware synths (which I can't afford)." Don't make me laugh.

What's shitty is your condescending bullcrap. What's the matter? Mods over at Steinberg.net straightened you out so you come here to spread your old-mannish disgruntlement with society for whatever sick reasoning you have. So take your hardware and stuff it up your ass if that's what you want to do. Then leave. You don't belong here. It's obvious. We get it. You don't like software synths. So, why else would you be here. To talk shit because you are miserable. We like softsynths. You seem to have a deep rooted problem with that. You should see a doctor about that. Let me take a wild guess, you're probably one of those people who despise Avicii and David Guetta and other "modern musicians" like them who could buy your pathetic little soul if they so desired with the money they make "hitting one note" as you so referred. Ok, Superman, you're a much more successful musician than they could ever imagine to be almighty Gadget Fiend! We bow to you the king of misery and we are all just lower than you. Right? Feel better now? Please have mercy on us peasants who use such inferior music production tools. Please forgive us almighty shit!!!

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Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:40 pm

pdxindy wrote:I have a quad i7 from a few years ago... Sure there are faster ones now, but it does everything I need still... In a couple years I'll upgrade and give Spire another go then

You should be good then with the i7. That's surprising. You should be able to play basically everything, with still a few issues of course but it shouldn't be that bad. Sorry to hear that.

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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:55 pm

Gadget Fiend wrote:
pdxindy wrote: What hardware synth?
As is clearly obvious to anyone who has actually heard any of the hardware synths mentioned below, there is not a single synth plugin that sounds as good as its hardware equivalent.

In your opinion... and according to your subjective set of measures of what is good.

I have and have owned a bunch of hardware synths including analogues, have played lots of a wide variety of others...

With actual analogue, there are still some sonic characteristics that digital hasn't matched. In some areas, digital performs better too.

The thing is for me, a variety of todays best soft synths sound so good, so beautiful and expressive that I don't feel a limitation to my musical impulse or its connection to an emotional experience in playing/listening.

If I use that as my measuring stick, then they are both good enough to put the question to rest.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:57 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I have a quad i7 from a few years ago... Sure there are faster ones now, but it does everything I need still... In a couple years I'll upgrade and give Spire another go then
You should be good then with the i7. That's surprising. You should be able to play basically everything, with still a few issues of course but it shouldn't be that bad. Sorry to hear that.

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Are you Mac or PC? I think the PC version is better optimized.

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:02 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:
pdxindy wrote:I have a quad i7 from a few years ago... Sure there are faster ones now, but it does everything I need still... In a couple years I'll upgrade and give Spire another go then
You should be good then with the i7. That's surprising. You should be able to play basically everything, with still a few issues of course but it shouldn't be that bad. Sorry to hear that.

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Are you Mac or PC? I think the PC version is better optimized.

Ahh! PC.

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basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:28 pm

pdxindy wrote: I have a quad i7 from a few years ago... Sure there are faster ones now, but it does everything I need still... In a couple years I'll upgrade and give Spire another go then

I've got an i7 860 and Spire works fine for me. Some patches might go up to 20% CPU (but I think that's just 20% of one core) with a four note chord, but I've never had any problems.

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