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Majken · Post by **Majken** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:31 am

Wow, this really makes me sad. Unprofessional seems to be the key word here. There was never a proper agreement? Well why did you pay a "fortune" then?

Oh, and maybe we forgot to add 'the adapters should be good' in the agreement as well?

Well you should have made sure it was properly working in the current FL when you bought it. You should also have checked up how to make future updates to the wrappers to improve performance/machine support and so on.

Earlier you said writing the wrappers were a simple thing to do and Oskari did a shitty job. Why did you not just buy the license for adding buzz support and use the sdk to backtrack adding buzz support by coding the wrappers yourselves?

Well it seems likely he wants to protect the license. Running FL as a VSTi would make it possible to run buzz plugins in other hosts. This is not the same thing as running them inside FL.

And this justifies making them crash when the host isn't called 'fruityloops.exe' and not tell us about?

No it doesn't. But then again your disagreements with Oskari does not justfiy your critics on the quality of buzz machines and the buzz scene. From your posts it seems you're happily waiting forr Buzz to roll over and die. Again, this is not a professional attitude. I'm guessing there would be alot of upset people had Steinberg made posts questioning the quality of AU plugins and hinted Logic users were nimwits.

/Majken

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:36 am

From your posts it seems you're happily waiting forr Buzz to roll over and die.

not really, as I thought this was done already

I have respect for musicians using buzz, as they often make great songs out of shitty basic machines.

Majken · Post by **Majken** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:14 am

gol wrote:
From your posts it seems you're happily waiting forr Buzz to roll over and die.
not really, as I thought this was done already

I have respect for musicians using buzz, as they often make great songs out of shitty basic machines.

Well that about sums it up then "shitty basic machines". So you have no respect for the machine devs that have actively supported the buzz scene spending lots of time for free, like: Arguru, WhiteNoise, BGTech, Muon, FSM, Zephod, Cyan and so on. Great attitude! Somewhat ironic too considering you paid a "fortune" for those machines. Thanks, now i now what Image-Line are made of.

/Majken

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:18 am

Majken, could you please just shut up

thanks in advance, best regards

Quaternion · Post by **Quaternion** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:51 am

Mirabebe wrote: Skaven

Yea, nobody does muzak better than him.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:33 am

Wopelka wrote:Majken, could you please just shut up

thanks in advance, best regards

thanks Wopelka, I was thinking the same thing two pages ago..and I'm certainly no fruity groupie.
who is this Skaven guy?

Majken · Post by **Majken** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:40 am

bluedad wrote:
Wopelka wrote:Majken, could you please just shut up

thanks in advance, best regards
thanks Wopelka, I was thinking the same thing two pages ago..and I'm certainly no fruity groupie.
who is this Skaven guy?

Peter Hajba aka Skaven - Musician in the well known finnish demogroup FutureCrew. Lately he's been working at Remedy on games such as Max Payne mainly with animiation. However I don't think his music can be found in either of the Max Payne games, if I remember correctly he did some bakground ambiences and soundeffects though. He did make some music for Unreal Tournament however.

The second musician in FutureCrew was Janne Valtonen aka Purple Motion. Personally i kind of prefer his stuff over Skaven's

- Although both of em are very skilled, in fact they were my main inspiration when starting to make computer based music a long time ago. If you look around at scene.org there should be some recent releases by both PM and Skaven

EDIT:
Janne Valtonens Studio : http://www.valtone.com/
Peter Hajbas Site : http://www.futurecrew.com/skaven/

/Majken

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:14 am

thanks Majken, nice info.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:50 am

So you have no respect for the machine devs that have actively supported the buzz scene spending lots of time for free, like: Arguru, WhiteNoise, BGTech, Muon, FSM, Zephod, Cyan and so on

Arguru has helped me with my interpolators in the past, so I thank him. As far as I remember he made his own buzz clone, meaning he wasn't that happy with how buzz was.

Some, like zephod, are bitches. They make a little synth and think it's the 8th wonder of the world, then they port it to VST and finally realize the competition is tougher. I know zephod thought we wanted buzz adapters to steal his precious synth..

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:56 am

Mike Oldfield? Didn't he do that horrible 'moonlight shadow' song?

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:06 pm

yeh,.

donkey tugger wrote:Mike Oldfield? Didn't he do that horrible 'moonlight shadow' song?

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:11 pm

donkey tugger wrote:Mike Oldfield? Didn't he do that horrible 'moonlight shadow' song?

It gets worse...

The twat also wrote:Hey and away we go
Through the grass, cross the snow
Big brown beastie, big brown face
I´d rather be with you than flying through space.

Makes me embarrassed just to quote it.

Stupid American Pig · Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:16 pm

who is this Mike oldfield character?

Majken · Post by **Majken** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:14 pm

Arguru has helped me with my interpolators in the past, so I thank him. As far as I remember he made his own buzz clone, meaning he wasn't that happy with how buzz was.

OT: Hah, yeah Arguru made a bunch of Buzzclones/trackers: Psycle / Noisetrekker / Aodix - Like you're saying he wasn't happy with how Buzz was. He wanted a more standard tracker interface from what I understood. He seemed to like the basic idea of the modularity together with tracking though, Psycle has a strong resemblance to Buzz. Other people like Geonik gave up on Buzz cause you could not make commercial machines with the Buzz SDK.

Zephod is an odd fella that always seem to speak his mind when he really shouldn't. He seemed to get really pissed off at Oskari since his free modules were "sold" and suddenly available in a commercial app. I think he started coding some protection in them so they wouldn't run in FL. The disagreement was with Oskari though as I understood it and not with FL.

Alot of machine devs seemed very discouraged when people were earning money from their work. I can't blame them considering people like Geonik tried it earlier but was told Buzz was supposed to be free just to learn later on that this suddenly was no longer the case. Again though, no one at FL is to blame for this it was Oskari's decision to sell the wrappers.

About Mike Oldfield:
He did some stuff during the 80'ies that most people want to forget about. As always that's what he's remembered most for though

- Then again i like alot of that stuff as well. Most people have heard his Tubular Bells in the movie The Exorcist however. The last albums have been less experimental that his 70'ies stuff and is pretty easy to get hooked on. Song of distant earth is brilliant, so is Tubular Bells 2 and 3, Voyager is pretty good as well and Millenium Bell. Then again old albums like Islands, Five Miles Out and so on are bloody brilliant as well.. oh yeah, one word Amarok!

/Majken

stratman · Post by **stratman** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:59 pm

Hm, ok, this thread got me a little confused.

So, ..., just to make it clear, when is Oskafield going to release the Buzz version of Fruity Bells again ?

Mike Oldfield using FL Studio.