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According to a recent study in France :

75% of people aged between 15 and 35 have already suffered from identified audio trauma at least once in their life

This would be the consequence of ( add and/or at each line ) :

1/ Too much/too long listening via headphones, at too high volumes.( for some people more than 7h/day !)
2/ Loudness war ie overcompressed mixes : ears cant rest during the listening process, and are subject to constant maximum pressure.
3/ Extreme exposure to PA systems in gigs, night clubs, private parties etc.

According to specialists, this is the prelude to some generations of *young* deaf people. ( Specialists are often alarming but well, .... )

Recommandations are :
  • Listening gain around 90 db : Have a 15mn pause every 45mn
    Listening gain around 100db : Have a 10mn pause every 15mn
    Avoid listening too much via headphones
    Listen to some music that is not always overcompressed.
    Go see a specialist at once when you face repeated audio troubles ( recurrent noise, headache etc )
So that you know ...

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Sure thing. Now I go to all clubs with ear protectors :borg:

The real issue is that already impaired people can hear nothing than overcompressed music, so it's self-sustaining process. The audience for sophisticated club music is shrinking :?
Avoid listening too much via headphones
I still don't get what is the difference between listening via headphones and listening to speakers... sound pressure may be the same, the only issue is ovrheating :P
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I can't hear you.

*BOOM*

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I studied all this in the school of audio engineer I've done, but try to explain all this to a teenager... :hihi:
BTW these rules\recommendations should be valid (by law!) also for the factory workers but try to explain it to the master of a factory... :scared:
I knew that (for example) these laws are in force in Italy but no one (factory's master) does\respect them...

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They should also avoid to listen sh*t.
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Lotuzia wrote:According to a recent study in France :

75% of people aged between 15 and 35 have already suffered from identified audio trauma at least once in their life

This would be the consequence of ( add and/or at each line ) :

1/ Too much/too long listening via headphones, at too high volumes.( for some people more than 7h/day !)
2/ Loudness war ie overcompressed mixes : ears cant rest during the listening process, and are subject to constant maximum pressure.
3/ Extreme exposure to PA systems in gigs, night clubs, private parties etc.
I'm not surprised at all... every time i hear some BOOM BOOM from a car with a hi-fi system with mega bass that makes the wall shake, i'm wondering if you don't get a permanent brain damage from that volume.

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When I worked around a blast furnace ear protection was mandatory here. And that was in the early 1970's.
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It's those chicks and bar mitzvahs. I always bring earmuffs or sandwich bags to protect my hearing. It's just good sense.
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Lotuzia wrote:According to specialists, this is the prelude to some generations of *young* deaf people. ( Specialists are often alarming but well, .... )
So in other words there is a massive potential for making money on developing replacements.

With stem cell, can't those be cloned/grown to replace wonky body parts?

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chk071 wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:According to a recent study in France :

75% of people aged between 15 and 35 have already suffered from identified audio trauma at least once in their life

This would be the consequence of ( add and/or at each line ) :

1/ Too much/too long listening via headphones, at too high volumes.( for some people more than 7h/day !)
2/ Loudness war ie overcompressed mixes : ears cant rest during the listening process, and are subject to constant maximum pressure.
3/ Extreme exposure to PA systems in gigs, night clubs, private parties etc.
I'm not surprised at all... every time i hear some BOOM BOOM from a car with a hi-fi system with mega bass that makes the wall shake, i'm wondering if you don't get a permanent brain damage from that volume.
I once got sick in a car due to a too strong bass as passenger in a colleague's car. And that was within a 10 minute drive. So yeah...


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1) is not as drastic with headphones, but even more so with ear plugs. Then we have to differentiate between closed headphones and half-open. If you use half-open during train rides and/or on the street, chances are that you pull up the volume to compensate the outside noise. Closed ones (or the newer name "noise cancelation" ones) are not as problematic - here you even pull down the volume on instinct. It really depends on how high the volume is of the content you listen to. Add to that the volume jumps between tracks, etc.

2) Is a common issue that doesn't want to go away. Even with the EBU R-128 recommendation, or "Loudness Normalisation" schemes... barely anyone is adapting this and still release material that is as loud as possible. Again, to be on top of the daily street noise. This problem could be resolved, if playback devices would have built in "loudness normalisation" settings - something that the "Music Loudness Alliance" is working on for years now.

3) is to absolutely no surprise. Thankfully, more and more clubs now hire people with vendor's tray's that offer ear protection at clubs. But it's not area wide yet, and the amps are still too loud.



Another point is clearly missing in the OP, is that the world in itself turned louder and louder. Street noise alone is already torture (public transportation comes to mind). Add to that random drive-by's from police, hospital and fire fighter vehicles. Those have extremely loud horns.

And then you also have people that don't have any regards for their fellow citizens. I had it more than once at train stations where people jumped out to go to a demonstration, (over)using police whistles and horns and what have you. Especially in tunnels. This noise is building up.

Another thing is fireworks. As it happened to me on New Year's day - I was trying to catch the subway, but had to wait over 10minutes - I decided to walk. Right after getting to the in-between floor of the subway station, some idiot created a huge explosion with fireworks. I not only felt the shockwave, but if I wouldn't have had worn ear protection, I would have lost my ears that night. Several times even.



This all is a huge problem.
And you can only do one thing: educate yourself, and raise awareness.


If you have a child, buy ear protection for it. Peltor Kidz Ear Protection cost about 30 EUR. That is a small price to pay to raise your kid with awareness right from the start.

What do ear plugs cost?
Simple foam/wax ones are 5 EUR max at a local home depot. If you want more luxurious ones, maybe consider Alpine Music Save, which are reusable, comfortable to wear and you can switch out the dampening plugs to your needs. I have a pair for months now, and it's the best investment I made.

Want custom ones, get in touch with your ENT or a local hearing aid company. You usually invest 120-200EUR (depending on your needs, brand, company that create them), but they are made to fit.



And if you're an audio engineer... get an SPL meter. Not in a smartphone app (as they are usually not calibrated), but a cheap one from an electronic's store is already suitable. Measure your room, check the work levels. My room is set up to roughly 78-80dBc SPL. And that is already darn loud to work with at near field. And I barely touch that one unless I really need to check things "loud".


If you took care of all that - visit your ENT every half year, do checkups, maybe also ask for hearing tests. Know when things start to degrade.



And if it's already too late (read: tinnitus and hearing loss), don't worry... there are many campaigns as of late that try to raise more awareness of hearing loss and tinnitus. One that I have in my Twitter feed is "Restored Hearing" (they are in Ireland).

But awareness and education is definitely key. So thanks for the post, LtZ.
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Compyfox wrote:Another thing is fireworks. As it happened to me on New Year's day - I was trying to catch the subway, but had to wait over 10minutes - I decided to walk. Right after getting to the in-between floor of the subway station, some idiot created a huge explosion with fireworks. I not only felt the shockwave, but if I wouldn't have had worn ear protection, I would have lost my ears that night. Several times even.
Nothing against fireworks with light effects but I HATE these damn jumping crackers ("Knallfrösche") that are louder than a compressor, they should be forbidden. But our politicians rather care about warnings on energy drinks... :nutter:

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"Bird Scarers" (Vogelschreck) should also be banned. I saw one idiot that used a 9mm gun with that type of ammunition and shoot the street up and down. Sometimes even on purpose to scare people. The last years, it was a friggin' fireworks war zone over here.

Personally I am for a complete ban of fireworks and only give out allowances to professional pyro-technitians - other countries on the planet already did that. But at least there seems to be a limitation of "acquiring fireworks" again. Not weeks before new years day, but actually limited to the two workdays prior. I still remember that from the 80ies.


Days like this, ear protection IS mandatory. Sadly, I saw so many parents with their kids on the street giving a sh*t about it. Those kids are the future 15yo deaf people that Lotuzia was talking about.
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heard all this same stuff when the Walkman first came out...all it takes is common sense. Here when I use the vacuum I put on hearing protection, if the smoke detector goes off the hearing protection goes on right away...going to a concert, club or what have you earplugs work well. :shrug:
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I have tinnitus already thanks to shitty and loud sound systems at shows my girlfriend in my late teens dragged me around to, plus the ototoxic facet of psych drugs (my tinnitus is 50% worse after psych drugs). In fact, most drugs are ototoxic. Even OTC pain killers. Look em up.

I wear earplugs for anything loud. Vacuuming. Shows. Whatever.

Doesn't protect me from other people's noise. And that's an issue I'm fully pissed about. Booming cars, shitty intentionally loud exhausts on cars and motorcycles, horns, car alarms...

Yeah, I'm all for banning fireworks and car alarms. I'm all for mandatory noise checks on cars, and for police to actually do their damned job and enforce noise ordinances on loud cars/cycles and car audio systems. As is, they actively ignore it. Worse, many of the cops ARE the bad guys with their own tough guy bikes on off hours. They're not going to cite some other biker dick because they LIKE the noise.

Society is loud indeed. It's unbearable. I hate being in any kind of urban environment. Music isn't near the only issue.
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It would indeed make sense to invest in hearing aid companies. Sigh.

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