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beely · Post by **beely** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:32 pm

TheoM wrote:where do you even get this probably stuff from? Apple machines are hardware locked to a minimum OS. Especially these days. Not probably. No one i know has successfully installed mavericks on a post yosemite release brand new mac.

*sigh* This is a thread derail so lets not run too far with this.

There are always options. Here's one (not the only one, of course) - I have a bunch of PPC software I can't run on my current MBP. So I have a virtual machine of Snow Leopard on here, just to run those apps. Or keep an old second PPC machine around to run old software. There are always options. Yes, it's inconvenient when software you use a lot is abandoned - I have all the Redmatica products, and especially love Keymap Pro. But there is usually a way to keep the stuff you have running, even if it's more inconvenient that you'd like.

And all this is assuming later OSX releases will stop Alchemy from working at all, which may not be the case at all - we can't see the future.

And yes, I can still use my EA Inspector XL plugins, on my current Mac, ten years, and multiple OSX and architectural changes, on...

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:33 pm

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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:33 pm

DrGonzo wrote: I'm in the same boat as you - shocked to say the least! But speculation have almost reached a point of hysteria now and since this whole deal is not the MO of Camel at all - I think it smells legal issues. Probably at the point where contracts are being signed and have to be set legally on both parts.

The EU tax thing is insane for sure - but I doubt it's the case. I smell a company buying up Alchemy. Probably not Apple. Probably not a coincidence this happens this close to NAMM. Probably the Camels cannot say a word until the deal is settled.

/C

thank f**k for the sanity.

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:33 pm

Aloysius wrote:Can't even download my stuff right now.

Pretty sure that server is being hammered right now.

beely · Post by **beely** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:34 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:thank f**k for the sanity.

+1

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:34 pm

gamecat666 wrote:I keep thinking NI, but Alchemy doesnt really fit into a nice gap in the Komplete range, and might even harm Kontakt sales.

i'd have to +1 to 'Acquired by DAW'

while the speculation is fun, I hope the end result is that existing customers get some new access to what they currently own and it doesnt just die altogether..

Could be XLN-Audio (if anyone). I never tried to use the download installer before today but it looks a lot like the XLN one.

Thanks crimsonwarlock. I thought it might be.

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:35 pm

The scary thing is it probably took 100,000's of man-hours and countless millions in EU tax funds to figure out how to tax a single currency 1000 different ways. Didn't these Kings and Queens learn anything in the 18th and 19th centuries? Seems like they didn't get the message.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:36 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
standalone wrote:Is it me or the Gearslutz thread has been removed?

It's here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/moan-zo ... ation.html

Oh, they have a specific Moan Zone. Very convenient.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:38 pm

TheoM wrote:FWIW, the curiosity got the better of me and i did a search. Do you believe in coincidence? I don't. Let's just say as of just 7 days ago, certain latest release camle products are now fully available on the web to anyone.

I wonder if this had anything to do with it?

Well, not to fan the flames, but that's not going to cause this drastic and abrupt behavior.

But if they got to the plugins there is a chance they also got a copy of camel 2.

THAT"S SPECULATION but that WOULD cause something like this.

HideawayStudio · Post by **HideawayStudio** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:39 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
HideawayStudio wrote:Going the MOSS route to achieve compliance with the new "Place of Supply" VAT Directive is clearly not a decision to be taken lightly and for even a larger company to go it alone is being grossly underestimated in terms of the implications of doing so. Just because a company has a relatively strong perceived value doesn't mean it has the cash flow to afford extra staff or paying the costs of significantly more man hours to achieve compliance in 29 EU member states. It is wrong to assume that simply because a small firm is VAT registered that the onerous nature of this legislation is somehow made easier.
The question was not whether or not it would have costs for a business of that size/turnover/net worth, but whether it was likely to cause a business of that size/turnover/net worth to completely give up trading overnight, especially when they already have some of the infrastructure required for VAT handling and associated accounting procedures.

Camel's net worth at Companies House (not perceived value) was just under £500K a few months ago. Im not saying that makes it 'easier' fot them to deal with MOSS (although I am saying its easier for them than the very small-scale 'home' operation making a few hundred quid a year selling knitting patterns or whatever), Im saying that its not a sensible assumption that they suddenly folded because they couldnt afford to implement MOSS.

I am not trying to imply this is the root cause of their actions but much rather that if there was a difficult future decision to be made (re. over IP as some have speculated) then this may well have been the tipping point.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:39 pm

standalone wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
standalone wrote:Is it me or the Gearslutz thread has been removed?

It's here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/moan-zo ... ation.html

Oh, they have a specific Moan Zone. Very convenient.

It was in the computer setup-forum before, so they moved it there.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:41 pm

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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:43 pm

TheoM wrote:actually just read at propellerhead one of the guys is good mates with the camel guys...he is going to try and find out what happened

If all else fails I'll take the train down to edinburgh this evening and kick in some doors, awright?

edit : seriously, though, if Hunter has been able to assure us that Ben is okay, but no more than that, then those who do know are under instruction not to talk about it.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:45 pm

kbaccki wrote:The scary thing is

that any thread can be turned into an anti European manifesto.

I agree with Fox News. I blame the metric system for closing down Camel Audio.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:45 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
DrGonzo wrote: I'm in the same boat as you - shocked to say the least! But speculation have almost reached a point of hysteria now and since this whole deal is not the MO of Camel at all - I think it smells legal issues. Probably at the point where contracts are being signed and have to be set legally on both parts.

The EU tax thing is insane for sure - but I doubt it's the case. I smell a company buying up Alchemy. Probably not Apple. Probably not a coincidence this happens this close to NAMM. Probably the Camels cannot say a word until the deal is settled.

/C
thank f**k for the sanity.

Indeed, but I'm sure that the thread will continue on its merry way and get more filled with speculation, conspiracy theories, blame apportioning without verifying responsibility, etc.

Well at least if history of this type of thread at KVR is anything to go by...

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]