KVR Audio

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:23 pm

ToniVaginas wrote:Oh. Well that's convenient.

It's always funny when the troll gets the hump (bad pun intended).

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:24 pm

Teksonik wrote: That seems so out of character from what I've experienced from Camel Audio.

This has been the prevailing thought since I read the first couple of posts.

It seems that I don't have quite the imagination that some others here have. My initial reaction was that they had been hacked. Then I thought that maybe there has been some type of split amongst the major folk at Camel Audio and maybe that means that if there is to be any further development it will have to happen under a different name and at a different time. I dunno... mostly it just seems out of character.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:26 pm

ToniVaginas wrote:Oh. Well that's convenient.

Haha, that has to be the funniest/douchiest way to say "I was wrong" I've seen yet. Well done sir!

TonyVegas · Post by **TonyVegas** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:27 pm

Well technically I was right. And I'm not even here to be right. It's you numbnutts whos butts are on the line, not mine.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:27 pm

lnikj wrote:
TonyVegas wrote:
beely wrote:
TonyVegas wrote:It was huge sale. And that KVR residents didn't even notice is really telling of why they went out of business. They had become so outdated and irrelevant that even massive discounts didn't get noticed? The sale happened whether you saw it or not.
I just had a look at the site as it was on 3rd January using the wayback machine and Alchemy was $249, it's regular price. No huge sale.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140702045 ... lchemy.php
It says right there in your link! 50% off Alchemy Complete!
That's its standard price. It means 50% off the price of buying everything individually.

I can see that trying to manipulate this bundle discount into a "sale" price is just malicious, and libelous considering the absolute way he has made these claims previously.

BUT. does that make it more ethical then ? whether it was the usual discount rate or a seasonal one, that emphasis on "50% off!" is an enticement to purchase. And perhaps even spend more than you ordinarily might. And considering the expense involved, can you really say that listing and selling these bundles (others were 35% off), especially during the spendy holiday season, was an ethical non-dirtbag thing to do - and keep in mind that they must have known (assuming it is a business related closure) that they would be dropping support in a matter of months ? I'd be pissed. pi$$€d.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:28 pm

TonyVegas wrote:Well technically I was right.

no. technically you were being wilfully malicious and disingenuous. and your statements were libelous.

TonyVegas · Post by **TonyVegas** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:30 pm

Daags wrote:
TonyVegas wrote:Well technically I was right.
no. technically you were being wilfully malicious and disingenuous. and your statements were libelous.

Your statement is libelous. Mine was accurate.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:31 pm

bundles are bundles for a reason. no one would buy them if they weren't offering a discount over buying each item individually. almost every developer who has bundles, mentions that "bundle is N% off!". it's not "enticement" or deceptive marketing, it's standard practice across not only the industry, but across just about any industry.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:31 pm

Aaahhhh....just let the old curmudgeon go. Ignore the fool.

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:32 pm

Alrighty! This thread is really starting to get rolling...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:32 pm

Daags wrote:BUT. does that make it more ethical then ? whether it was the usual discount rate or a seasonal one, that emphasis on "50% off!" is an enticement to purchase. And perhaps even spend more than you ordinarily might. And considering the expense involved, can you really say that listing and selling these bundles (others were 35% off), especially during the spendy holiday season, was an ethical non-dirtbag thing to do - and keep in mind that they must have known (assuming it is a business related closure) that they would be dropping support in a matter of months ? I'd be pissed. pi$$€d.

assumption fail. you're basically saying 'they must have known they were going to cease operations in four months so this was duplicitous'.
when you stop excluding 'they didnt know they were going to cease operations in four months' as a potential premise, you'll be able to make a more logical conclusion about why a company selling things might have put some of their stuff on sale.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:33 pm

trimph1 wrote:Aaahhhh....just let the old curmudgeon go. Ignore the fool.

'curmudgeon' isnt a synonym for 'maliciously shit-strirring troll', im afraid.

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:33 pm

ToniVaginas wrote:Well technically I was a right numbnutt. And I'm not even bright.

I think that's what you meant, surely.

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:33 pm

Let's also make the point (again) for the people with the "cynical cash grab" theories - Camel Audio were one of the most visibly ethical software developer companies out there in this community, regularly doing things for charities they believed in, donating money, creating products and donating sales - this is not a company full of cynical cash grabbers - as anyone who has had any dealings with them over time fully understands.

Good guys, who are in some kind of situation we don't have the facts about yet, and are unable, for whatever reason, to comment further at this time.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:34 pm

TonyVegas - do go and have a lie down, there's a good chap. Plenty more to discuss here other than this dead end tangent. The last thing we need is a thread lock, we're 3/4 of the way to 100...

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]