Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]

[trimph1]

if it's a business related closure, I find it inconceivable that this came as a suprise to them.

*You* may find it inconceivable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Heads down, working hard to the nest release and in the final stages, out of the blue Large Company X approaches them with an offer that stops them dead in their tracks. or a lawsuit. Or something equally large. I've been involved in this stuff.

You stop what you are doing, have a little bit of shock, and take some time to assess how this affects you, talk to some people, get legal advice, have meetings. A decision is made, which you cannot discuss in public because it would upset the offer, market value, legal position etc, and all of a sudden it's done and you have no way of messaging your customers.

It happens like this *all the time*, and yes, it often comes as a shock to most people involved.

It happened to my company recently.

[HideawayStudio]

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[Daags]

if it's a business related closure, I find it inconceivable that this came as a suprise to them.

*You* may find it inconceivable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Heads down, working hard to the nest release and in the final stages, out of the blue Large Company X approaches them with an offer that stops them dead in their tracks. or a lawsuit. Or something equally large. I've been involved in this stuff.

You stop what you are doing, have a little bit of shock, and take some time to assess how this affects you, talk to some people, get legal advice, have meetings. A decision is made, which you cannot discuss in public because it would upset the offer, market value, legal position etc, and all of a sudden it's done and you have no way of messaging your customers.

It happens like this *all the time*, and yes, it often comes as a shock to most people involved.

It happened to my company recently.

your company ? or a place where you worked ?

[whyterabbyt]

Why then, as a consumer, should we care where we get a copy from if the company itself no longer cares?

What exactly are you a consumer of, then? Stuff you think you're entitled to for free merely because you didnt actually buy it when it was available?
You didnt care enough to buy it from them, why should the company care about you in the first place?

You're assuming that everybody had a chance to buy the software when it was available. What about people who just got their first computer yesterday or didn't have the money prior?

If somebody wants to, in good faith, buy their software, which is technically available (I mean it still exists, right) if they refuse to sell it to me, why should I care where I get it from?

I'm willing to say to CA right now, "Take my money." If they refuse to do that, why should I care where i get their software from? They are not even giving me an alternative for another software like when Adobe discontinued CS 3 and told me I had to buy CS 6 even though I was a CS 3 owner and lost my original install. They refused to replace it but at least gave me another option. With CA, I now have no other option but to do without the software.

Again, if they are going out of business, refuse to take my money, why should I care where I get their software from, if I even can and get it working?

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

[Kriminal]

is the EULA different in the latest download, to reflect any changes....? (cant check right now)

I think the site is down due to traffic........

Yeah... i just wondered if anyone had unzipped latest DL and looked at EULA. i DL all files but havent had a chance to install yet and check myself.

[trimph1]

if it's a business related closure, I find it inconceivable that this came as a suprise to them.

*You* may find it inconceivable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Heads down, working hard to the nest release and in the final stages, out of the blue Large Company X approaches them with an offer that stops them dead in their tracks. or a lawsuit. Or something equally large. I've been involved in this stuff.

You stop what you are doing, have a little bit of shock, and take some time to assess how this affects you, talk to some people, get legal advice, have meetings. A decision is made, which you cannot discuss in public because it would upset the offer, market value, legal position etc, and all of a sudden it's done and you have no way of messaging your customers.

It happens like this *all the time*, and yes, it often comes as a shock to most people involved.

It happened to my company recently.

your company ? or a place where you worked ?

My company.

[Daags]

so what exactly happened to your company ? and what size was it, particularly in terms of turnover

[wagtunes]

Why then, as a consumer, should we care where we get a copy from if the company itself no longer cares?

What exactly are you a consumer of, then? Stuff you think you're entitled to for free merely because you didnt actually buy it when it was available?
You didnt care enough to buy it from them, why should the company care about you in the first place?

You're assuming that everybody had a chance to buy the software when it was available. What about people who just got their first computer yesterday or didn't have the money prior?

If somebody wants to, in good faith, buy their software, which is technically available (I mean it still exists, right) if they refuse to sell it to me, why should I care where I get it from?

I'm willing to say to CA right now, "Take my money." If they refuse to do that, why should I care where i get their software from? They are not even giving me an alternative for another software like when Adobe discontinued CS 3 and told me I had to buy CS 6 even though I was a CS 3 owner and lost my original install. They refused to replace it but at least gave me another option. With CA, I now have no other option but to do without the software.

Again, if they are going out of business, refuse to take my money, why should I care where I get their software from, if I even can and get it working?

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

No, I want it, I'm willing to pay for it, why won't you sell it to me?

So I'm screwed because I just happen to be late to the party?

But okay, let's just look at this from a legal standpoint.

July 7th comes. The company closes its site. Nobody has bought them out. Alchemy is officially a dead product. The company itself dissolves. It no longer exists.

If I get a copy from a 3rd party, is it illegal with the company no longer in existence? I mean it's not like there is anybody in existence any longer to even sue me or bring charges against me. They no longer exist.

This is what I'm trying to get at. What are the legal ramifications after July 7 if the company goes out of business and nobody buys them?

And will you please keep your snide "I've been here 13 years as a member" comments to yourself. They don't intimidate me.

[standalone]

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

Or more like "now that I have an excuse that I feel is a little better than the usual ones I think I'm going to pirate it".

[wagtunes]

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

Or more like "now that I have an excuse that I feel is a little better than the usual ones I think I'm going to pirate it".

No, I'm willing to pay for it. Can I legally buy it from a 3rd party?

[trimph1]

so what exactly happened to your company ? and what size was it, particularly in terms of turnover

Let me just put it this way. Medium sized. The rest I still cannot say.

[TonyVegas]

The bottom line is that someone still owns the intellectual property. If you didn't license the legal use of it then what you are doing is illegal.

[wagtunes]

The bottom line is that someone still owns the intellectual property. If you didn't license the legal use of it then what you are doing is technically illegal.

Can I buy that license from somebody who purchased it from CA.

That's all I'm asking for crying out loud. Sheeesh.

[trimph1]

Why then, as a consumer, should we care where we get a copy from if the company itself no longer cares?

What exactly are you a consumer of, then? Stuff you think you're entitled to for free merely because you didnt actually buy it when it was available?
You didnt care enough to buy it from them, why should the company care about you in the first place?

You're assuming that everybody had a chance to buy the software when it was available. What about people who just got their first computer yesterday or didn't have the money prior?

If somebody wants to, in good faith, buy their software, which is technically available (I mean it still exists, right) if they refuse to sell it to me, why should I care where I get it from?

I'm willing to say to CA right now, "Take my money." If they refuse to do that, why should I care where i get their software from? They are not even giving me an alternative for another software like when Adobe discontinued CS 3 and told me I had to buy CS 6 even though I was a CS 3 owner and lost my original install. They refused to replace it but at least gave me another option. With CA, I now have no other option but to do without the software.

Again, if they are going out of business, refuse to take my money, why should I care where I get their software from, if I even can and get it working?

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

No, I want it, I'm willing to pay for it, why won't you sell it to me?

So I'm screwed because I just happen to be late to the party?

But okay, let's just look at this from a legal standpoint.

July 7th comes. The company closes its site. Nobody has bought them out. Alchemy is officially a dead product. The company itself dissolves. It no longer exists.

If I get a copy from a 3rd party, is it illegal with the company no longer in existence? I mean it's not like there is anybody in existence any longer to even sue me or bring charges against me. They no longer exist.

This is what I'm trying to get at. What are the legal ramifications after July 7 if the company goes out of business and nobody buys them?

And will you please keep your snide "I've been here 13 years as a member" comments to yourself. They don't intimidate me.

Check " abandoned software" . Any 3rd party is out of the question.

[whyterabbyt]

Ah, yes, that argument. 'I want it so I am entitled to have it'.

Or more like "now that I have an excuse that I feel is a little better than the usual ones I think I'm going to pirate it".

No, I'm willing to pay for it. Can I legally buy it from a 3rd party?

why the hell dont you try asking one of the several 3rd parties who actually sell it?

http://www.jrrshop.com/camel-audio-alchemy-complete

oh wait; perhaps because the question is academic, and you're not really intending to?